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8th Apr 2024

X-Men: Dark Phoenix

Chamar and Andrew are back with yet another bonus episode as we continue the "Cape or Cap" season with X-Men: Dark Phoenix. As always, we are here to ask the big questions: Does the story make sense? How does it compare to its comic adaptation? What was happening behind the scenes? Is it a good addition to the universe? And most importantly, did the film earn its CAPE or was the hype around it all CAP?

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00:00:00 Intro

00:06:26 Movie Recap

00:55:54 Comic Knowledge

01:09:22 Behind the Scenes

01:16:24 "Cape or Cap" Decision

01:29:11 The Ending Reminder

Transcript
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Professor X celebrates by drinking right in the middle of

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the gosh darn day. It's like one maybe 1pm Listen,

ComicChams:

he's just celebrated he does Apple lawsuit on his

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Hi, I'm chamar Griffith codenamed Comics Chams. And I'm

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Andrew Tejada. Codename Arete and this season we're looking at

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the worst superhero movies ever and seeing if they're fun or

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straight up dumb on Cape or cap, a bonus season of yet another DC

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animated podcast

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Welcome to Cape or cap or bonus season here on yet another DC

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animated podcast. My name is chamar Griffith codename comics

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Chams and I'm Andrew Tejada. Codename Arete. Andrew and I

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have known each other since 1996. That was the year the

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Phoenix Festival. It's a music festival happened

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in England. I think I didn't I didn't check the

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location. But I do know that it had David Bowie, Alanis

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Morissette be York, Foo Fighters Coolio, and more. There were

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more like 30 artists there. After this year after 1996, they

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tried it one more time, and then they tried to resurrect it. But

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it fell to ashes. They couldn't do it

ComicChams:

fell to ashes. Let's see what she did. Wow, that's,

ComicChams:

you know, on the nose for a lot of things. I'm mainly thinking

ComicChams:

about like, they tried it again, like this story that we're gonna

ComicChams:

talk about was a try again, and it felt as well yeah. Um,

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because as a reminder, really quickly, we are going through

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films across the multiverse because right now with the

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current DC Multiverse kind of coming to an end with their

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crisis event, we're checking out other films that had their

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impending doom already forecasted, including this 1x

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Men, Dark Phoenix. So today, we are covering this film, which

ComicChams:

ended the 19 year run of main continuity X Men films, at least

ComicChams:

I think that's, I mean, the area might be great. It's like

ComicChams:

Deadpool, and, you know, the New Mutants film existed.

Arete:

Okay, yeah, technically, yeah.

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But either way, at a runtime of 14 minutes, this 2019

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film was directed and written by Simon Kinberg. He's the director

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behind such productions as 35543 55 355. I really have no

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idea how they actually promoted that film. But if you do well,

ComicChams:

yeah, I mean, he has a great cast. It just was not

ComicChams:

really probably well, we also as I mentioned, he wrote this film

ComicChams:

X Men Dark Phoenix, along with other films, such as the

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Fantastic Four movie featuring Michael B. Jordan. jumper, which

ComicChams:

is a personal bath favorite film of mine, Mr. And Mrs. Smith, and

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the original version of this story, adapted for the screen. X

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Men blast and so

Arete:

Hey, kids, look, if you mess up once you can get a

Arete:

chance to try again. Yeah, but sometimes,

ComicChams:

maybe maybe move on to something else.

Arete:

It's okay sometimes also, if you make a mistake to to not

Arete:

try that again.

ComicChams:

Quick, fun fact, though. I did come across

ComicChams:

unrelated to Simon Kinberg. But really about X Men productions.

ComicChams:

Did you know that the X Men have been going on on screen

ComicChams:

basically for since like, 1989

Arete:

I can't think of what was on it. 1989 What were they

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doing?

ComicChams:

They had a one episode production called pride

ComicChams:

of the X Men. That's pride as it spelled as in Katy pride. befoe

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y. And that episode, which basically you can't find

ComicChams:

anywhere in the world now was the inspiration for the video

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game, the arcade game that we constantly play whenever we go

ComicChams:

to any kind of space that has arcade games, especially the X

ComicChams:

Men game. Oh,

Arete:

I love that game. Pick Wolverine or you're gonna have a

Arete:

bad time. Storms gives you but Wolverine is really what you

Arete:

want to pick.

ComicChams:

This is also funny thing about this film, or at

ComicChams:

least about the X Men in general is we just experienced a longest

ComicChams:

break between X Men on screen productions because between from

ComicChams:

what I figured out from between New Mutants and X Men 97 I was

ComicChams:

like 1300 days

Arete:

Whoa, well, you know what? They needed the break?

Arete:

Yeah,

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we they exhausted everything, especially with this

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film, which has our cast list starting off with Sophie Turner

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coming off of her stint as Sansa Stark from Game of Thrones.

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Today she's giving her final performances Jean Grey after

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three films and if franchise and summers Montana plays her

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younger counterpart, who many fans of The Vampire Diaries

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universe might recognize as hope Michelson, the daughter of Klaus

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and forgetting the mother's name right now, but from what I can

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always been told about her she's been a pretty big deal. Yeah,

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all

Arete:

the Vampire Diaries fans are going to come after us.

Arete:

Thanks.

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Next up, we got James McAvoy who's reprising his role

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as Charles Professor Xavier. This is the first time he spent

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the entire actually I take that back. There have been many there

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are many scenes that wish he was not bald.

ComicChams:

Michael Fassbender attracts us to his role as Eric

ComicChams:

clencher aka Magneto. Nicholas Hoult is beast Alexandria ship

ComicChams:

is storm. Ty Sheridan is Cyclops. Evan Peters is

ComicChams:

Quicksilver Kodi Smit McPhee is Nightcrawler Jessica Chasteen

ComicChams:

seems to be the leader of a group that's supposed to be the

ComicChams:

main antagonists of this film. And she's also credited with a

ComicChams:

name that 90% Sure they never said in this film.

Arete:

They don't. And we'll talk about that.

ComicChams:

And finally, we have Jennifer Lawrence, who hits us

ComicChams:

right through the hearts as she gets her final performance as

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Raven, aka Mystique,

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she she lays it all on the line. We couldn't we would

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not have asked for a better performance.

ComicChams:

All right, so with that, just like most excellent

ComicChams:

productions, I guess it's time to fly and then crashed the

ComicChams:

Blackbird right into the beginning of X Men, Dark

ComicChams:

Phoenix.

Arete:

So we get some very vague narration from Charles Xavier

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about evolution. And that's fine. You know, that's how most

Arete:

of those original X Men movies started. So I guess it's a

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callback throwback to those. But after that, we get a scene with

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a young Jean Grey. She is just in the car, her mom's listening

Arete:

to some trash music. And she wants to change the radio. So

Arete:

the radio starts changing. And they don't know this yet, but it

Arete:

is genes powers manifesting that she can use her telepathy to

Arete:

change the radio station, or her power would have been funny if

Arete:

her power was literally just to change radio stations. That was

Arete:

the extent of it.

ComicChams:

Maybe the greatest DJ probably. That's,

Arete:

that's all you'll be doing. You won't be fighting

Arete:

with the X men because they find people that can punch through

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you and like a single punch. So she is changing the music. And

Arete:

okay, I'll justice later. But the scene in the beginning of

Arete:

the movie presented as her mom is so distracted by the music

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change, that she runs into the other lane of traffic and

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crashes. That's how the scene is presented. Originally. Gene's

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parents die automatically. So Xavier as as Jean is orphaned.

Arete:

And apparently the nurses don't tell her that her parents are

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dead,

ComicChams:

when he was just like who was gonna tell her

ComicChams:

except them? Exactly.

Arete:

I don't think a hospital can actually do that. I'm not

Arete:

I'm not sure you can have a patient, a young patient and and

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not tell them that the parents are dead. I just feel like you

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shouldn't be able to. But for anybody

ComicChams:

that's a nurse or a doctor or anything a medical

ComicChams:

practitioner of any sort. If you listen to this podcast, please

ComicChams:

let us know we have big questions about this because

ComicChams:

this doesn't feel ethical whatsoever.

Arete:

No, it's almost as unethical as a show the resident

Arete:

which I just started on Netflix. It's absolutely insane. Doctors

Arete:

let people die and hide that they kill people in surgeries.

Arete:

But that's a story for another time. Because now it's time for

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Xavier to get a new X Men. Yes, because,

ComicChams:

you know sighs Batman, Charles Xavier loves

ComicChams:

recruiting kids to fight his battles. Yes. And here we get

ComicChams:

like a good moment because I will say I did appreciate this

ComicChams:

line because as you're talking, Charles does share that he's a

ComicChams:

mutant and that her powers genes powers are manifesting showing

ComicChams:

that she's also a mutant. And she's like, she feels really out

ComicChams:

of place. She doesn't understand her place in the world. And she

ComicChams:

feels like her powers right now are more of a curse than they

ComicChams:

are anything. And what he does is that he takes out a pen from

ComicChams:

his pocket. He gives us tariffs to say hey, this is a gift to

ComicChams:

you. That a pen has many, many things you could do with it. You

ComicChams:

can write a letter, you can draw something with it, or you can

ComicChams:

stab someone in the eye. This is the actual dialogue in the film.

ComicChams:

But what he does share is that whatever you do with the pen is

ComicChams:

what what you do is like the use is different from the object so

ComicChams:

much like you Jean Grey, your powers could be done. It can be

ComicChams:

used to create and do many great things. But is with proper

ComicChams:

practice that you can do that versus if you let it run while

ComicChams:

people could get hurt. And I do appreciate the fact that he

ComicChams:

doesn't share that light. It was kind of like her fault as to do

ComicChams:

the distraction of her mother crashing, unfortunately, and

ComicChams:

everything her parents passing away. As she agrees to come with

ComicChams:

them, they stand in front of the Charles Xavier School for Gifted

ComicChams:

Youngsters at the X mansion. And this is when they show thou that

ComicChams:

like Jean has fully accepted that she's going to be joining

ComicChams:

in the school. And he just shares that this was like the

ComicChams:

first day of the rest of her life. As we jumped to what was

ComicChams:

supposed to be present day. Sorry, no, it's night tonight

ComicChams:

TOS by like eight years after the events of X Men apocalypse.

ComicChams:

And now the X Men are more seen as like heroes around the world,

ComicChams:

which I feel is a major contradiction to what I've

ComicChams:

always known of the X Men, because in the 90s, they were

ComicChams:

basically treated like as if it was straight up racism. So

ComicChams:

seeing them as heroes this little while.

Arete:

I mean, speaking of contradiction, I'm 1992 right?

Arete:

If X Men 2000 takes place in the same universe, what the hell

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happened to Charles in eight years? Why does? How did Jim

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McAvoy look? Patrick Stewart is a beautiful man. I'm not gonna

Arete:

lie. But how does James McAvoy go to looking like Patrick

Arete:

Stewart in eight years? What the hell happened to you, bro?

ComicChams:

It's probably the events of this movie to me.

Arete:

I guess so because I'm stressed. But here in the 90s

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they are just chilled around being X Men with a space shuttle

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is gets in trouble. So the President of the United States

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calls Professor X to help out with that. So he sends a bunch

Arete:

of X Men to happen there X jet and go up into space. And we

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have storm Cyclops Nightcrawler Mystique beast, not quite sure

Arete:

why Mystique needed to be there.

ComicChams:

Yeah, it seems like she's the de facto leader of the

ComicChams:

strike team only because of age. Sure.

Arete:

And storm, can she use weather powers in space? Is that

ComicChams:

this is a this is a this is a yes and no. I want to

ComicChams:

say so back in the day, this is Storm wasn't given much respect.

ComicChams:

Unfortunately, that's the reality that we lived in. Storm

ComicChams:

is as of like the late 2000s has been more considered and Omega

ComicChams:

level mutant. So things like conjuring things in space like

ComicChams:

that is more real. So I think that what they did was that they

ComicChams:

knew that they had to put respect on her name. And now

ComicChams:

give her the ability on screen to basically what ends up

ComicChams:

happening is as they arrive to the ship, that is that's lost a

ComicChams:

little bit lost in space, it's about to get hit with this solar

ComicChams:

flare. She's able to create some like, I shielding on certain

ComicChams:

holes of the ship, which I gotta say, I mean, I don't know too

ComicChams:

much about physics or space. I'm not a rocket scientist. But I

ComicChams:

feel like if there's a hole in your ship, based off of every

ComicChams:

other space movie I've ever seen, everyone in that ship

ComicChams:

should die. Yeah,

Arete:

I mean, it's kind of depending on how fast they get

Arete:

there. It'll take like a few minutes. But the ship was in

Arete:

pretty rough shape. Yeah, I'm not sure. And their plan

Arete:

basically is have Nightcrawler jump with Quiksilver. So they

Arete:

can gather all the astronauts in an instant and save them. So

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they do do that. But they realized that there was one

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astronaut they left behind. So Professor X says, Yeah, Jean

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gonna hold the ship together. While a lot happens, don't worry

Arete:

about it. So Nightcrawler jumps gene to the ship to hold it

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together while he finds a missing astronaut, but he is

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unable to get to her in time before the ship just gets hit by

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that solar flare. And this is very important because the solar

Arete:

failure starts heading towards her friends. And Jean pulls it

Arete:

towards herself. This comes up later. So I want everyone to

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remember that. Um, so Jean absorbs the force, the ship

Arete:

explodes. But Jean survives, and everyone looks at her for like a

Arete:

too long of a beat. I'm like, she is floating in the vacuum of

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space. Please go pick her up. So they pick her up and everyone

Arete:

celebrates. Earth celebrates crowds celebrates Professor X

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celebrates by drink Getting right in the middle of the gosh

Arete:

darn day. It's like one, maybe 1pm He started Listen, listen,

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he's

ComicChams:

just very happy that like everybody came back after

ComicChams:

he basically sacrificed a bunch of like teenagers to young

ComicChams:

adults, okay? Just celebrated that he does have a lawsuit

Arete:

on his. That is fair, and he is called out for it. Raven

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does call Professor X saying that, you know, you've been

Arete:

seeking fame lately. You're kind of enjoying this. And he's like,

Arete:

I enjoy not being persecuted. Thank you. So it does set up an

Arete:

interesting conflict of him more not more concerned with fame,

Arete:

but chasing that fame chasing that notoriety. But that nice

Arete:

conflict is ruined by one of the worst lines. I have heard in any

Arete:

superhero movie, where Raven says, women are doing a lot of

Arete:

saving around here. Maybe we should change it to x women.

Arete:

Yeah, that

ComicChams:

was that was a set of words put together in the

ComicChams:

phrase.

Arete:

Look, I sure you know, for branding purposes. If you

Arete:

wanted to find a gender neutral name, that's fine. But I, I

Arete:

just, I didn't see that happening on screen. So much.

Arete:

It's like Quicksilver and Nightcrawler, did 90% of the

Arete:

work on that last name. So I don't really understand where

Arete:

this is coming from in the context of the movie. And even

Arete:

so, starting next force, I think, equal opportunity for

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everybody. I

ComicChams:

mean, the X Men have had so many teams throughout

ComicChams:

history on uncanny X Men X Force, just start off a branch

ComicChams:

of X Men, that is just a female lead to anything but it's I

ComicChams:

agree it felt it just felt like trying to make the argument for

ComicChams:

the sake of making the argument. When also when you look at it, I

ComicChams:

think there are really only three female identified members

ComicChams:

on that team currently in that moment. And again, they besides

ComicChams:

storm holding can tear the ship and Jean taken on the sofa,

ComicChams:

which granted, those are like very big power moves. But in the

ComicChams:

end of the day, Nightcrawler and Quicksilver were the ones who

ComicChams:

went through and pulled the people from the other ship into

ComicChams:

theirs, pulling them to safety. So I unless something else

ComicChams:

happened between for the other films, which I doubt that it

ComicChams:

did, or between the eight years since apocalypse, try and take

ComicChams:

it over. Yeah, there's nothing really that nothing, nothing

ComicChams:

that I can see that she could stand on that argument with.

Arete:

She was talking about Jubilee. Everything. Yes, yes.

Arete:

Yes. Yes. Yes, I forgot about her.

ComicChams:

So that this movie, this movie is in general, just

ComicChams:

cameo.

Arete:

I will I will give it a pass. She did have the

Arete:

scheduling conflict. She can't come back for this. Okay.

ComicChams:

So after this big blowout, Jean does go get

ComicChams:

tested, she gets tested by bees just to check on everything

ComicChams:

because again, she took on the full brunt of a solar flare, and

ComicChams:

basically came out of it unscathed. Especially after she

ComicChams:

was just floating in space helmetless. And as he's doing

ComicChams:

all the tests, he's like, basically, I don't have the

ComicChams:

technology to measure how powerful you actually are. It is

ComicChams:

wild to see that you were able to do all this you're off the

ComicChams:

charts. And Gene is kind of happy about this because he's

ComicChams:

like Alright, cool. Now that you told me that I can go and party

ComicChams:

with the rest of the rest of the meetings in the kids that are in

ComicChams:

the school. She meets back up with Scott and she's sharing

ComicChams:

this like great news about like you he literally said off the

ComicChams:

charts it's like the least scientific thing a scientific

ComicChams:

human can say and as they're talking Scott shares like you

ComicChams:

know, are you really okay because like you did take on

ComicChams:

that full hit. Also everybody's just like really even though

ComicChams:

like you just want to check in because even though you did do

ComicChams:

this wondrous feats below worried also don't let get don't

ComicChams:

let it get too big of a head for you. But people are starting to

ComicChams:

call your cool name because of what you did. And that name

ComicChams:

being Phoenix. Yep, that's

Arete:

the origin guys. Just a bunch of kids calling our

Arete:

Phoenix. Basically, I

ComicChams:

guess it was in the 90s It's not like an AOL screen

ComicChams:

name. That will that will count.

Arete:

Yeah, that's that's your that's your tag. That's your

Arete:

your Craigslist tag I haven't know existed when we were young.

Arete:

Elsewhere. A bunch of rich people are Having a nice dinner

Arete:

at their Lakeside house and some aliens show up. And one of the

Arete:

aliens, somebody goes out to investigate. And it turns out to

Arete:

be Jessica Chastain. And while she's investigating, and the

Arete:

alien comes out of the forest and shapeshifts into her, and

Arete:

she's like, well, that's not good that a scroll. Sorry. I

Arete:

said the word scroll. That's that's not what these are.

Arete:

They're Dubarry Yes. Dubarry who can shape shifting aliens who

Arete:

can just shape shift into anyone they want and maybe get their

Arete:

memories so it's not really important for the purposes of

Arete:

this movie and all that they have their memories or not. So

Arete:

they take over the dinner of people all these aliens, and

Arete:

then why do they know that they can't? Anyway? Um, don't worry

Arete:

about that. So well elsewhere they're at the party for the

Arete:

Phoenix and somehow Beast and Mystique have a live video feed

Arete:

of a party in the middle of the forest.

ComicChams:

I I feel like that's like that. That's just too much

ComicChams:

overboard in terms of like home security. Like I get it but like

ComicChams:

I feel like now my my my scale in terms of home security is

ComicChams:

like the best home security is probably x x mansion and them

ComicChams:

spying on these kids during the party versus DC us bury Alex's

ComicChams:

mother getting killed and we still to this day don't know who

ComicChams:

it was.

Arete:

Well, the tomato sauce can knows I guess. Um, so at

Arete:

this party mistake, while she's watching the party with Bs

Arete:

proposes that they should leave get out of the X Men. Things are

Arete:

a little too crazy. She's like the X X and X Men stands for

Arete:

Xavier, doesn't it? I'm like, Yeah, I mean, he's funding it so

Arete:

I guess he can branding wise school X gene, I don't know. Um,

Arete:

so while they're debating whether they should leave or

Arete:

not. Gene has a just a sudden surge of power. And she knocks

Arete:

everybody out. Instead of guessing if it was the punch,

Arete:

she was drinking. Maybe she had some early career Four Loko or

Arete:

something. They immediately hook her up, put her to bed and

Arete:

Professor X decides to explore her mind with good old cerebro.

Arete:

Yes, so

ComicChams:

as we continue with this invasion of privacy,

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he does show beast and Raven the full setup that is

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genes MindScape. And as they're going through, it's a very like

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sand ish, like space. Basically, it's just like all of her

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memories are like this. Strings of reality, just like fog

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almost. And Raven or Mystique does even comments, like, are

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all mines like this. And Xavier shares No, this is what genes

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mine has been like since she's been going through so much

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trauma since the day of the accident. However, he's been

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working with her for all these years, to try to put up a block

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around all these traumas, and sharing that like he has been

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working for the place mental barriers, which comes into the

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ethical question of like, was that something that Xavier

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should have done? Raven questions it. And he's just

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like, it was the only way that keep back her true full power,

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which is already the beginning of the ominous sense of like,

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gene could have gone rogue. That pun intended. And the more that

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he's venturing through, Gene starts to wake up. And as she

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wakes up, she's recognizing Charles in her mind. He's trying

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to calm her down as they're watching. And they do see once

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again the scene of basically her parents and what happened on the

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day of their accident. But more importantly, the lie that has

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been told to her for her entire life since that day, being that

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her father, John Gray, did not die during the day of the

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accident, but instead decided to give her up to go stay with

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Charles Xavier.

Arete:

Yeah, and this is not good news for her. So she

Arete:

decides I'm gonna check out myself. She knocks out Cyclops

Arete:

and goes towards her father. And so after Jean finds out about

Arete:

her father she immediately wants to go after so she knocks out

Arete:

Cyclops. Professor X is trying to chase her to get to her

Arete:

before she gets her dad but he is not quick enough in the jet

Arete:

so Jean finds her dad alive and they're talking it's a very

Arete:

tentative conversation. It's very tense because He's very

Arete:

awkward, and doesn't really know what to say. And she notices

Arete:

that there are no pictures of her, which I mean, I think from

Arete:

the context clues or him being alive and not contacting me. He

Arete:

didn't want to mess with you. Like, did you think he had

Arete:

amnesia? Like I don't know. So it's now revealed that they we

Arete:

replay the opening scene and it's turned out that gene

Arete:

actually knocked out her mom that day, and directly caused

Arete:

the accident. Why they felt the need to trick us. I'm not really

Arete:

sure why, what benefit that did to any of us. So as Jean is

Arete:

getting more upset, the expert arrived, and so do the cops. Did

Arete:

anyone call the cops?

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Right? There was no reason there was, there was a no

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point in which like Jean did something that was wild. Like

Unknown:

she didn't. I mean, she probably flew over, but like it, I don't

Unknown:

think I will call the cops if I saw someone flying overhead of

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me if they were calmly entering a home very peacefully. In fact,

Unknown:

there was no point in which there was like, any shouting

Unknown:

angry moments, except from Jean, just being like, you've been

Unknown:

lying to me my entire life. And then when they start feeling the

Unknown:

rumbling, the thing that causes the most chaos is the entry of

Unknown:

the X Men.

Arete:

Yeah. I originally thought her father called them,

Arete:

like, out of like, abundance of caution. That's how I remembered

Arete:

it. But then I watched it. I was like, No, he actually didn't.

Arete:

Like he just was really awkward about it.

ComicChams:

Honestly, I feel like you shouldn't call the cat

ComicChams:

I feel like he shouldn't call Charles because, like, how are

ComicChams:

you going to explain to the cops like, Hey, this is my daughter

ComicChams:

who I gave up. Because I couldn't deal with her. And now

ComicChams:

she's just come she's confronting me now. I want to

ComicChams:

call Charles be like, Yo, my man, what's up like, why? We had

ComicChams:

to deal like why she

Arete:

had to do King. So now Yeah, but speaking of the X Men

Arete:

are here. And they're, they're gonna try to make things better.

ComicChams:

By making everything worse, because as Jean sees

ComicChams:

everybody come through, Charles is like pleading with her to

ComicChams:

calm down and just come with them so that they can just

ComicChams:

reassess everything that's going on. Because I'm believe he's

ComicChams:

sensing that these barriers are breaking now, because now that

ComicChams:

she's learning more about what was hidden from her. It's these

ComicChams:

powers of hers are starting to grow. And she's like, evolving

ComicChams:

almost to the next step. Which was a big issue not for her but

ComicChams:

for other mutants in the last movie. And as he's working with

ComicChams:

his team now to tackle everything is going on.

ComicChams:

Unfortunately, as we mentioned, the cops do arrive, they

ComicChams:

immediately draw to shoot which is weird because they spent the

ComicChams:

entire movie prior to this. So in that the X Men were heroes.

ComicChams:

So the habit be that like, what the person who basically was the

ComicChams:

top hero from the latest mission, be the person that now

ComicChams:

the cops are trying to take out? Versus hey, let's try to figure

ComicChams:

out what's going on here. Um, it's a lot it does not make

ComicChams:

sense. The the way that the X Men are then transferred into

ComicChams:

like, the problem calls causers. And as Xavier sends his team

ComicChams:

into, to help out gene unfortunately started to attack

ComicChams:

some of the costs because at this point, she can't really

ComicChams:

she's like diving in absorbing herself into this anger. She's

ComicChams:

now feeling. And we have moments in which like, Quicksilver tries

ComicChams:

to speed up to try to stop her from attacking me by too much

ComicChams:

which was a waste of time because he since he sends him

ComicChams:

back flying at even faster speed, I think also store oh my

ComicChams:

gosh, yeah, right. Oh, I forgot. Um, but yeah, Quicksilver is

ComicChams:

gone. He's alive. But he's just got probably smack them right

ComicChams:

into Scott into into Scarlet, which is one division honestly.

ComicChams:

Um, Storm tries to attack and in this moment now, Charles decides

ComicChams:

that the best course of action is to follow ravens plan, which

ComicChams:

was for her to walk up to Jean, as the leader of the team, talk

ComicChams:

to her try to calm her down. Tell her that like, Hey, we're

ComicChams:

here for you were the family that you've had this entire

ComicChams:

time. And, well, I'll let you talk about what happened about

ComicChams:

families.

Arete:

Well, family is not strong enough here. Not stronger

Arete:

than a tree because Jean launches Mystique back. She dies

Arete:

like Logan. And let's not deny it. This death was ripped

Arete:

straight from Logan because she dies with wood going through her

Arete:

and Jean just dips you know, and leaving the X Men with this mess

Arete:

and they have a funeral beasts doesn't bring his umbrella to

Arete:

for mystique and everyone starts discussing what to do like

Arete:

Cyclops tries to stick up for Jean storm is saying I think we

Arete:

need to take her down. I you know, people without much power

Arete:

can't be trusted speaking from experience because she just

Arete:

dealt with someone who had a lot of power and cannot be trusted.

Arete:

Professor X surprise surprise he's drinking again. But beast

Arete:

lashes out at Professor X says you know because Professor X is

Arete:

kind of weirdly downplaying his grief in this scene being like,

Arete:

Oh, this is where I met Raven naughty that the DA and this is

Arete:

like, bro, what the hell are we gonna do about this? And so

Arete:

they're not friends. And Jean while she's chilling in an alley

Arete:

with no umbrella, the alien villain whose name is VOOC fuck.

Arete:

What was her name?

ComicChams:

They never say it in the film. Because we'll never

ComicChams:

know. But it's spelled V. UK. She's the leader of the as you

ComicChams:

mentioned that the Bari alien shapeshifting race? Oh yeah,

Arete:

we're almost. I'm gonna call her space, Karen. I like

Arete:

that. Space. Karen attacks, genes father for information.

Arete:

And she says a line that should sound badass where she goes,

Arete:

before I interrogate you. I just want you to know that it's a

Arete:

shame that you won't give up the information. Your language is so

Arete:

much easier to understand when you're not screaming. Is there a

Arete:

language that is easier to understand when people are

Arete:

screaming? I please let us know in the comments if there is a

Arete:

language that is easier to understand. If you're not going

Arete:

to make a joke, I'm not gonna make the joke.

ComicChams:

I have what am I? I'm not gonna make

Arete:

it while you ponder what that is, we're gonna go over and

Arete:

because guess what Jean found an island. And it's a nameless

Arete:

Island.

ComicChams:

Oh, I believe this was supposed to be Genosha. I

ComicChams:

don't think they ever said it. But this is supposed to be

ComicChams:

Genosha which in X Men history is supposed to be a safe haven,

ComicChams:

basically run by Magneto, where all mutants can be safe.

ComicChams:

Basically, in this one, we learned that the land was given

ComicChams:

to him by the US government. I guess after the offense of

ComicChams:

apocalypse, which is like a consolation prize, we won't

ComicChams:

murder you on this couple of blocks that has no

ComicChams:

infrastructure.

Unknown:

As she arrives, some people are wary about it. But

Unknown:

Magneto or Eric, he's like, alright, it's all good. I know

Unknown:

her. She's like people, my people. And they get a chance to

Unknown:

talk. And he sees on her shirt that there's blood in questions

Unknown:

like, whose blood is this? Why are you here? Why are you not

Unknown:

with Charles and she's not give him any straight answers. In

Unknown:

fact, she even comes up and says that the reason why I came to

Unknown:

you is because I understand that you have killed people in the

Unknown:

past. And I was like, that's really messed up. Many people in

Unknown:

this universe have killed people in the past.

Arete:

Not a great opening. Like technically, I think Charles has

Arete:

killed some people.

ComicChams:

I think Charles has the highest killed count in this

ComicChams:

series. I mean, we're talking about Logan happened yet, but

ComicChams:

like technically, Oh, well.

Arete:

So before they can really get to what's going on? The

Arete:

military arrives with helicopters. And here again is

Arete:

another example of the movie escalating without any clear

Arete:

reason why? Because yes, at this point, Jean has attacked some

Arete:

cops. But I don't think the US military would immediately go

Arete:

after her. I don't think that's the escalation of events at all.

Arete:

How did they know she was even there?

ComicChams:

Exactly. That was my main question. Do

Arete:

they have the script too? Because they arrived to the

Arete:

island and Magneto is trying to calm things down. He doesn't

Arete:

want to expose the genes there. But out of really nowhere. In

Arete:

the middle of the conversation Jean decides to lift one of the

Arete:

helicopters and her and Magneto play helicopter hot potato and

Arete:

eventually Jeanne throws away the chopper. Which Magneto is

Arete:

like, look, you're bringing too much smoke here, please leave.

Arete:

So she does. And it's further revealed that the President has

Arete:

now cut Charles Xavier off which if this is an international

Arete:

manhunt you're starting for immune Don't you want his help

Arete:

finding her when maybe the opposite one Professor X when I

Arete:

cut him off, exactly killed Jean. I don't quite understand

Arete:

why. But I do understand that this is the scene now where Jean

Arete:

cuz she could be so easily found is randomly found by the space

Arete:

Karen.

ComicChams:

And this is where we get some insight of like,

ComicChams:

basically what happened here. So space, Karen explains her whole

ComicChams:

thing about her being from this shape shifting alien race. They

ComicChams:

arrived on Earth with the purpose of harnessing this, like

ComicChams:

the solar flare that gene took on. But Surprise, surprise, it

ComicChams:

actually isn't just a regular solar flare. It's a cosmic solar

ComicChams:

flare that has the ability to either destroy or recreate a

ComicChams:

world. And unfortunately, her race the alien race to the Baris

ComicChams:

were on the former under that where they were heard their

ComicChams:

whole entire planet was destroyed when this cosmic

ComicChams:

flare, pastorate destroying it. And they want to harness this

ComicChams:

power that Jean now has to try to recreate their own world

ComicChams:

again, it's under the guise that they just want to use it to

ComicChams:

create a whole separate other planet somewhere else. But we

ComicChams:

know learn from the space Karen, that, you know, she doesn't feel

ComicChams:

great about the fact that there are people who are not like her

ComicChams:

inhabiting her or the world that she treasures. So now she wants

ComicChams:

to in that world now being Earth. So now she's toying with

ComicChams:

Jean, she's telling her that, you know, we can work together

ComicChams:

to make this a reality. And all she just once is to work

ComicChams:

alongside her. This is where, again, none of the X Men none of

ComicChams:

they don't really know what's going on. This has this whole

ComicChams:

huge blowout with Charles Xavier, he ends up leaving

ComicChams:

taking the X jet over to the island Genosha. And this is

ComicChams:

where I think in the first time I've ever seen where beast and

ComicChams:

Magneto actually come to terms and agree on one particular

ComicChams:

course of action, which is to take out gene as a way to avenge

ComicChams:

mystique. Yes, because

Arete:

you know, this is a time a movie where Magneto has to

Arete:

lose a family member. That's happened

ComicChams:

I got it really does anyone.

Arete:

Um, so we also get a little more context from space

Arete:

Karen, a little bit that the force they were following,

Arete:

started the Big Bang. And it destroyed the hurt the world

Arete:

that her and the aliens are from, so they decided to follow

Arete:

it and

ComicChams:

your world was destroyed. What did you use to

ComicChams:

follow it?

Arete:

Guys, if you're camping, and a bear destroys your tent,

Arete:

here's some advice, just some free advice. Don't follow it.

Arete:

Let it go and do whatever it wants. And you get the hell out

Arete:

of there. You get out of the way of the bear, you leave the

Arete:

forest, you don't go follow it and see what happens next. So

Arete:

she further says Jean, you can use this and you can create

Arete:

things. But I don't know why gene would. She's like you can

Arete:

evolve you can become more powerful. And so does gene want

Arete:

any of that I think Gene just wants to not have killed her

Arete:

friend. I I don't know what the goal is. But in any case,

Arete:

they're at a nice New York apartment. Don't ask how they

Arete:

got there. Don't ask whose apartment they're actually in.

Arete:

Don't worry about it. Xavier decides to assemble a team to

Arete:

find Jean because he finds her by following where Magneto and

Arete:

beasts went. Sure. And Xavier tries to just bring Cyclops but

Arete:

storm and Nightcrawler insist on going with him. So they all go

Arete:

over there. And now they confront Magneto beast and his

Arete:

two is two new mutant psychics.

Unknown:

Yeah, they're credited as a Riki and Celine. Um, as far

Unknown:

as I can tell there is I'm pretty sure that there's like

Unknown:

some random characters that they do connect to, but nothing that

Unknown:

can really find that it was just like they were a part of this

Unknown:

actual story.

Arete:

Yeah, one can represent weaponize is lots. And that's

Arete:

his power and the other mutant has like, say miles psychic

Arete:

abilities, I think. Yeah. Um, they don't really do much. I'm

Arete:

not even gonna give them nicknames. I'm sorry, I they're

Arete:

just not gonna be that important enough to even get that. So they

Arete:

have a brief confrontation where they're like, Hey, we're here to

Arete:

save Jean. We're here to kill them kill her. And Cyclops out

Arete:

of nowhere says I will fucking kill you.

ComicChams:

What's right, I was like, first off, this is the way

ComicChams:

you use your one F word in the dark.

Arete:

i It's so out of nowhere, but I will give them props. It

Arete:

does lead to a cool street fight. Where because the the one

Arete:

Magneto villainous has the powers of mind manipulation. She

Arete:

can contract Professor acts and mess with nightcrawlers

Arete:

teleporting. Surprisingly weaponizing locks is a really

Arete:

effective weapon. And honestly, if you've never been slapped in

Arete:

the face by like a braid, it is very dangerous. You could get

Arete:

hurt guys. Be careful out there. And as a final act to this

Arete:

really, again, I do have to give full props This fight is really

Arete:

uses the New York Street really creatively has these jumping on

Arete:

cars Cyclops using his beams and in refracting them off of

Arete:

mirrors and interest. Oh, yeah, that was a good one.

ComicChams:

I also did like this one scene in particular to where

ComicChams:

Magneto is able to pull a New York City train station, or

ComicChams:

subway, or sorry, a New York City train from underground and

ComicChams:

creates a brand new playing field for everybody to basically

ComicChams:

somebody got hit with the train. It is wild. I think, honestly,

ComicChams:

to watch this movie just for that scene. Just that's what

ComicChams:

made it for me.

Arete:

Yeah, so I will. There's one thing about realism because

Arete:

of a train. The a train was pulled up from the ground.

Arete:

People wouldn't freak out. They'd be like, Ah, god, how

Arete:

long is this gonna take 10 more minutes? God, I'm never gonna

Arete:

get to, to my showing of Godzilla versus Kong on time.

Arete:

Well, this is the 90 so maybe like Dunston checks in I don't

Arete:

know.

ComicChams:

Or another Godzilla movie.

Arete:

But the train thing does work. And now Magneto gets to

Arete:

confront Jean Grey.

ComicChams:

And it's a cool entrance scene he crashes

ComicChams:

through the building itself. He's floating in Jean and space

ComicChams:

Karen are hanging out on the the meeting place of where the

ComicChams:

staircase ends up creating this loft area. And space Kerr is

ComicChams:

kind of egging Jean on to like, you know, you really are more

ComicChams:

powerful than you think. You know, Magneto, of course has his

ComicChams:

helmet. He's thinking all right, well, I could block whatever

ComicChams:

gene is gonna throw at me. However, this new evolved gene

ComicChams:

does something that I think is a pretty smart idea which I'm

ComicChams:

surprised that no one's ever thought about before. By taking

ComicChams:

Magneto helmet and using her telekinetic abilities to start

ComicChams:

crushing it around his head and the pressure is just too much

ComicChams:

for him that upon it finally breaking not through his head

ComicChams:

exploding out he does get knocked out and this leads to

ComicChams:

Jean taking some more of the some more metal around her using

ComicChams:

it as like a binding handcuffing against him and since him flying

ComicChams:

back outside there's also a cool scene to in which Magneto takes

ComicChams:

the staircase and rips it off of the off of the staircase the

ComicChams:

railing and almost plunges that right at genes i But she's able

ComicChams:

to stop it showing that like Gene really is a whole new level

ComicChams:

playing field when it comes to her abilities especially when

ComicChams:

she has the support of the space Karen

Arete:

space Karen's ready to come please if things go wrong.

ComicChams:

Oh maybe she was the one that columns.

Arete:

So an interesting thing here because in the next scene,

Arete:

Xavier is able to bop into the New York City apartment. And

Arete:

Gene is like cruelly making Professor X walk using

Arete:

telekinesis and space. Karen is really happy about this. But

Arete:

because she's because Gina is using the powers to make this

Arete:

happen. But if her home was destroyed by this terrible

Arete:

power, why would she be happy to see someone using it for evil

Arete:

when she not want this to happen? Because, exactly. I

Arete:

don't understand why she's so happy about this. And things get

Arete:

more confusing because Xavier now completely overwhelmed by

Arete:

Gene uses talk no jutsu and is able to find one good memory

Arete:

that breaks gene out. And genes like, actually, I don't want to

Arete:

use this power anymore. I don't like who I'm becoming with this

Arete:

power subspace Karen's like, Oh, I could, I could just take it.

Arete:

And she starts taking it. Was that always on the table? Why

ComicChams:

was it just used before? Does that make any

ComicChams:

sense? Because she also is able to fully absorb it? Are they

ComicChams:

partially absorb it enough that she could basically do the thing

ComicChams:

that she wants to do?

Arete:

Yeah, why would she not take it? Why would she wait

Arete:

until this moment to take the power? It makes no sense she had

Arete:

all day.

ComicChams:

I, ah, my gosh, it is wild, it is unnecessary. I

ComicChams:

think they just did it too. Honestly, you could have had the

ComicChams:

entire fight scene and not include any of that. Like you

ComicChams:

could have just had space Karen lurking off in the background,

ComicChams:

looking to see what gene will do. And then finally, besides

ComicChams:

like, well, she's not going to do the thing, miles will just do

ComicChams:

what I actually wanted to do. Or even show that like, you know,

ComicChams:

there was some opposition may be from the other day, because

ComicChams:

there are several Dubarry characters on here. Like several

ComicChams:

people, they never have any conversation, it would be great

ComicChams:

if we had a conversation with her like, she's like, I want to

ComicChams:

take on the power and they're saying, No, your body won't be

ComicChams:

able to handle it. Or something like that, showing us like give

ComicChams:

us some more motivation, more understanding of like, why is it

ComicChams:

that space Karen's here, what just wants to use this power,

ComicChams:

and then she just decides to go against the wishes of the other

ComicChams:

people and just take it for herself. Like anything else to

ComicChams:

explain the motivations of these villains would have made sense,

ComicChams:

or this?

Arete:

Yes, and we will get into later, maybe, maybe when we talk

Arete:

about what happened behind the scenes, some of this will make

Arete:

sense later. But in this movie, Cyclops comes in and interrupts

Arete:

the process before it can be completed. But unfortunately,

Arete:

the US government once again comes in and captures all of the

Arete:

mutants. Good and bad. Cyclops does manage to launch space

Arete:

Karen, almost to the sun. But she survives a hit thanks to the

Arete:

Phoenix Force. Maybe we'll also get into how she survives this

Arete:

hit in the minute. But everyone is captured and put in collars.

Arete:

They're on a train and paying shifts. How do they get to the

Arete:

train? What train did they take from New York City?

ComicChams:

I need to know how many guards were there to take

ComicChams:

them all out given like, legit.

Unknown:

I mean, there were like some people who were knocked out

Unknown:

but like, there was enough people that they should have

Unknown:

been able to at least fight back like everyone. It seemed like

Unknown:

even gained mutants were like, on this train, which was really

Unknown:

weird. Get ahead of hold, like a fully operable, fully staffed

Unknown:

train that like who did this? And never know. We won't.

Unknown:

Definitely because the the Dubarry aliens come to get Jean

Unknown:

Grey off this train. And they start on the opposite end of the

Unknown:

train. And she is

Arete:

which I'm like, it makes no sense. Why would you the

Arete:

worst

ComicChams:

version of Snowpiercer I've ever seen in

Arete:

a long way you know where she is. So they board the train.

Arete:

And here is one of the most confusing aspects of this movie.

Arete:

So aliens the debris gets shot by guns, but it doesn't kill

Arete:

them. But when they use higher caliber caliber ammo, it does

Arete:

kill them, except when it doesn't. So our guns effective

Arete:

against the Dubarry new is the question this you'll have this

Arete:

entire scene because it goes back and forth many times on

Arete:

whether they can actually be killed by gunfire.

ComicChams:

I also appreciate too that during this entire

ComicChams:

battle it shows that they are all significantly stronger than

ComicChams:

any of the mutant powers that are that anybody has like.

ComicChams:

Basically it seems like power magnetism, trash of telekinesis.

ComicChams:

telekinesis or telepathic trash, laser beams from the straight up

ComicChams:

eyes, trash. It just seems like these characters were so

ComicChams:

overpowered that is shocking to me that they never got into a

ComicChams:

larger fight prior to this. And this is all because again,

ComicChams:

they're trying to go after Gene the X Men now teaming up with

ComicChams:

like Magneto side of members, they're trying to hold them

ComicChams:

back. People die. Unfortunately, there are many people, many

ComicChams:

people that die from both sides, or all three sides. Well, to say

ComicChams:

I live in that, like there's just everybody just fighting.

Arete:

Well, Professor, Professor X's people are largely

Arete:

Okay, throughout this battle, Magneto people die immediately.

Arete:

Yeah,

ComicChams:

those locks were not able to battle off I guess like

ComicChams:

brute strength for some reason. Um, but as they are like trying

ComicChams:

to subdue the mall, we do get some like cool uses of powers

ComicChams:

throughout the scenes. But we do have to bring this to an end

ComicChams:

where Xavier is sitting next to Jean, who is basically this was

ComicChams:

another question because it was like the amount of like,

ComicChams:

restraints that they had on Jean means that they had to be there

ComicChams:

for a very long time in order to get everybody in, plus the lock

ComicChams:

down jeans head, or arms, or legs or torso. Basically, this

ComicChams:

girl was strapped to a tap like a table. And Xavier is like

ComicChams:

trying to talk to Jean tell her about like, the importance of

ComicChams:

family and love and all that. And earlier in the movie, it

ComicChams:

gets shown that like Xavier started to lose his connection

ComicChams:

to Jean, he's unable to like read her mind. But he keeps

ComicChams:

throughout the entire time trying to push his own mind into

ComicChams:

hers. And then she finally responds and says, All right, I

ComicChams:

know I have to do especially in order to protect my family, as

ComicChams:

she immediately frees herself from the restraints, which means

ComicChams:

to me that the entire time when they've spent all this time

ComicChams:

putting people putting the mutants with their inhibitor

ComicChams:

collars on no one thought to do that to Jean, I guess

Arete:

they figured she was good. So Jean, decided to just

Arete:

take the train off the tracks, if the train fall off the tracks

Arete:

beginning they get in a very admittedly really cool visual

Arete:

where the train is twisting off the tracks, but everybody who

Arete:

she believes in is in a sphere. And they're kind of like

Arete:

flipping upside down in this like protective glass sphere,

Arete:

kind of like how she was in the car crash. And the car crash

Arete:

that killed her parents originally, she put herself in a

Arete:

protective sphere that kept her from getting any injuries

Arete:

whatsoever. So it's kind of a callback to that. And she comes

Arete:

off the train, but there are still some surviving Dubarry

Arete:

aliens. So they all rush her they all explode into little

Arete:

mist because they have no chance against her power scaling is out

Arete:

the window. So space Karen tries one last time to absorb the

Arete:

power. And space. Karen says like, you could kill me. But if

Arete:

you kill me here, everybody else dies and everyone else starts

Arete:

falling apart. Like it's the end of Infinity War. So Jean just

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flies up in the space blows up. And that's that's that? Yeah,

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um everyone's a little sad, but it doesn't seem like

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they have much time to really process this grief, which is I

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think a common theme throughout this entire film is we see that

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Xavier has decided to name the school to Jean Grey School for

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Gifted Youngsters. he retires I'm assuming and shame because

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of everything that happens during this film, which gives

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beasts now the position of headmaster unfortunately his

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originally was that plan that he was going to leave

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with Mystique are Raven because of the love. But he decides to

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honor her memory by staying behind helping younger mutants

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to get understanding of their powers and really be a part of

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the beat, just like not to just rather just get a sense of their

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powers, but on her memory also by having a little picture of

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her on his desk. We see that basically they decide to pull

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the end sequence of Batman The Dark Knight Rises. As Charles

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Xavier moves over the Paris. He's there having a cup of

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coffee, or an espresso. And in that moment we see Magneto

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coming up and it's although the scene is a little a lot like

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Batman Dark Knight Rises, it does seem to be a very nice call

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back to the relationship Between Charles and Eric, where Eric

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brings out his mobile game of chess. And I just realized

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that's how weird that sounds. This is a suitcase and they

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offer two he offers a home to him and the same way that Xavier

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did to him in an earlier set of films, so decided to play this

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game of chess. And as they pan out, we see a flaming bird in

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the sky, symbolizing that the Phoenix is still alive and

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possibly also means that Jean survived this blast that she

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created for herself.

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And that's it. No post credits, no post credits,

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because this is where the universe was supposed to end.

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But yeah, it didn't so um, before we figure out go into

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what happened and if this is a cape or cap what in the comics

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happened here? Is this anything like the Dark Phoenix storyline?

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In any way?

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I'm so mad about this, but there is a lot of

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accuracy. This movie Oh, okay. It is in my opinion might be the

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second most accurate telling of the Phoenix the Dark Phoenix

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story up first is always gonna go the X Men The Animated

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Series, they knocked it out the park like literally out the

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park. Um, but in general, the story is considered like one of

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the best if not the best in X Men comic storytelling. So Dark

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Phoenix itself actually takes place between issues 129 to 138

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of Uncanny X Men that ran between January to October of

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1980. But the first introduction of the Phoenix Force at least,

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like the proper, larger storytelling of it, especially

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as it came into possession of Jean Grey, was in issues one on

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one to one a way of the same series that took place between

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7677. So previously on X Men,

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members of the X Men team were facing off against

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like robotic copies of the original X Men team, you know,

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this was when before beasts eternal blue and whatnot. They

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were called X sentinels. And they were created by Stephen

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Lang, who took over the anti mutant division after the death

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of of Trask

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battle happened in space, it was at a point where

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it's just like X Men, I feel like have always had battles in

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space. Once they were like, We can't fight the fight against

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racism on the ground, and the more we got to the cosmos. And

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while they were in space, they did see the solar flare coming

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towards them. And while they were there, they were like, We

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need to find a way to get back home, especially because the

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solar flare might kill us all. But the only way that they can

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do that is if someone stays behind to manually send the

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shuttle back down to earth. And Gene volunteers for this

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mission, knowing that's going to be a suicide mission, much of

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the satisfaction of many of the members, but she does make a

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good point. Because after psychically knocking out Cyclops

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who was very adamant about not leaving Jeanne behind, she says

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that she's the only one with psychic telekinetic abilities

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here, so she can monitor and handle all the controls that

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would normally take a full team to actually to do to make sure

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they all got home safely. Excellent or save Jean takes the

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full hit of the solar flare. And as the X Men crash into the bay

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of Bay back on Earth, and they swim back up to the surface,

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Gene happens to float back up as well. And this is where she's in

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a brand new costume, calling herself power incarnate, and

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especially now using the name Phoenix. Okay. So if that sounds

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very familiar to anybody, that is basically a lot of what we

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saw in the X Men animated series, which they did a great

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job again of adapting. As time progressed, though, Jean seemed

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very much like yourself, so no one was taking too much

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craziness over the fact that like genomes died, they were

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just happy to she was still with them. But unfortunately, they

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started to open up the doors for more cosmic threats, including a

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faceoff with the members of the CR Empire, and a group called

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Star jammers, who was led by Scotts biological father that

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neither he or Scott knew that they were related, but we'll

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just pass on by that

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cool hope you can't get can't get child support in

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space.

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Like your jurisdiction. But again, you can

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actually watch this whole time sort of play out in the third

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season of The X Men animated series and episodes three

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through seven of that third season. But as I mentioned, This

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the things that do get attacted from the comic that we do see in

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our film. One of the main things is the mental blocks that gene

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has. So, unfortunately, Charles didn't get as much crap about it

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as he did in the movies. But he does share that, like he's been

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working with Jeanne to put up these mental blocks in order to

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hold back the full extent of her powers. This was even before the

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Phoenix had entered her body. But then we have members of the

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Hellfire Club. These were people who have been around for

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decades, centuries who have been manipulating things from behind

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the scenes, and came across the knowledge of the Phoenix, this

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cosmic entity, which has now entered Jean Grey. And they

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decided to by being led by their leader mastermind to try to

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convince Jean that she's actually been a member of this

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club this entire time, so they can trick her into using her

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power so they can control basically everything with the

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power of the Phoenix Force

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and gaslighting. Yeah. Um,

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so this is the group that is called the inner circle.

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Jean does get convinced, and she even takes on the persona of the

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Black Queen because the inner circle tended to take on the

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names of chess pieces in order to show their power. And Scott

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and the rest of the X Men they go in they fight to save her.

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Scott has a full on battle with mastermind that takes place in

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the MindScape. I think we dressed up like pirates for it

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for some reason.

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They Scott wins, it's a great battle.

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Unfortunately, something happens where with that when it is the

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final barrier that's holding back the full extent of genes

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power, and allows the Phoenix Force to usurp that power to

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turn her into the Dark Phoenix because she's upset of how she

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was used. She realizes that she has all this ability and like

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literally has been restraining herself from using it this

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entire time. So she goes full evil. This is why this also

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revealed much like our movie, she goes into meet with her

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family about what was happening with her. So she does attack

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them for giving her away. Once she decides to take off after

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everything that's happened because they expect to find a

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way to stop her from doing too much damage she flies off into

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space is actually implied that she flies off through different

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realities, which I'll talk about for the Phoenix forces a little

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bit. But during her flight, she actually destroys a she our

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empire ship, and even destroys the son of a solar system that

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that caused the extinction of a familiar named alien race, the

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Dubarry

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so they're all dead. I don't even

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know we there's no space care. Um, so we see that

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like, battle after battle that the excellent half of the Dark

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Phoenix, we see that Jean has some moments in which she's able

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to like gain back control a little bit. And she's pleading

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out to her family to have many scenes in which she's like

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pleading out to them, like just kill me, like literally, this

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is, um, see the harm that I'm causing. It's a nice little

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scene that we see even in X Men the last in which she's like

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pleading with everybody to be like, I know how much trouble

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I'm causing y'all please kill me. Unfortunately, this kind of

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all comes to a head when they're transported before she our

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empire. Because Jean has sustained trough her crimes of

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what she's done as the Dark Phoenix. And even though she has

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full control in this moment, she knows that like she has to pay

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for it in some way, shape, or form. So during a trial by

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combat that Scott is able to orchestrate, Jeanne actually

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sacrifices herself and pays the ultimate price by so that the

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rest of the X Men are able to travel back home safely, which

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differs a little bit from the animated series. Because the

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Dark Phoenix Saga actually takes place between episodes 1417 The

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end result of the gene is different, but I can see now

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that the movie did try to imply the scene of like, Jean having

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to sacrifice herself in order to save everyone else. And I think

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that's only because it was a PG 13 film, they could adapt to

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more adult themes, which is this idea of this. This ultimate

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sacrifice.

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Yeah, that Okay, so a lot of it does hit those points just

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not as tight.

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I will say to that, like just the ending result of

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it all. Um, I don't want to spoil it too much. But like if

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you are watching X Men 97 currently at the time of

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recording this, like the light three episodes have come out.

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They are actually really following along the events after

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what happened here almost completely accurately. There's

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some jumping around but this is what happened in the comics is

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actually playing out really well in this series. So definitely

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check it out if you haven't already started it. And the

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biggest thing that I didn't want to address on is the Phoenix

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Force. Because this thing is a really big deal is take Going

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over many people within the Marvel Comics and everything

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Jean has just happens to be the most popular, most well known

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one, but it's actually taken over her daughter Rachel, which

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is the daughter that she and Scott had in the Days of Future

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Past reality for the longest period of time. And other people

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who've actually possessed it are another dollar that they had.

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The X Men actually at one point split it up between a comic

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series live in series called Avengers vs X Men, where the X

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Men were trying to bring back mutants after Scarlet Witch had

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eliminated them from during the House event storyline. So they

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saw that it was coming back. Scott decided to use this as an

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opportunity to bring back mutants and the Avengers were

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like No, no, we already know the destructive damage that the

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Phoenix Force could cause. So when they were fighting, the

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Phoenix Force actually took over financing of Scott, Colossus

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magic, and two other members of the X Men. And then it led into

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Scott. Unfortunately, the other members were defeated in battle.

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So the Phoenix Force actually took over all of Scott making

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him one of the worst villains of the Marvel Comics at one point

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because he had that ability. And that thing about the Big Bang

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was actually kind of accurate because the Phoenix Force is

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actually considered life in general life incarnate power

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incarnate. So there's at one point in which Galactus faced

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off against the Phoenix Force itself when it wasn't being

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possessed by anybody and the watcher intervene to let him

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know that if you destroy the Phoenix Force, it actually will

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destroy all life in the universe, with no chance of

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rebirth. Ooh,

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that's the opposite of what a Phoenix is supposed to

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do.

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Right? Um, so it's wild. It's, it's definitely a

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crazy, big power play when it comes to Marvel Comics in

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general. It actually doesn't even just stay in Marvel Comics

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actually has the ability to travel throughout the multiverse

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is there there's never mentioned but it is mentioned. It's never

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like seen in other universes, but as mentioned in a lot of

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these comics that it could actually travel to different

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realities such as the DC Universe or other maybe even

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stuff like seeing Sita in Invincible or anything like

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that. But the craziest thing that did come out of this whole

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time that it possessed Jean was during that first time it

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possessed it during it possessed her during the Phoenix Dark

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Phoenix Saga was that the body that Jean had during those

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things, was not actually Jean.

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This is borrowed.

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Yeah, it basically, during the time when Jean have

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first taken the hit, she kind of made a deal with the Phoenix

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Force to Protect her friends. So that's why they truly survived.

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And she was like, I'll give over my body in order for you to be

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to inhabit it and do what you need to do. But what it did is

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that it actually created a clone body of gene that had all the

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abilities of the Phoenix Force sent the real gene into the same

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bay that the that the we're in, but has we're trapped in a coma

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underwater until she was found by the Avengers. And when the

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Phoenix Force had actually sacrificed or gene has

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sacrificed the Phoenix Force, so that version of her the little

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bit of life force that took which actually if you watch our

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expending anime series and kind of get a sense of this

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happening, flew over to Jean in underwater thankfully, she had

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been pulled out by the Avengers by then and woke back up gene in

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this original body spoilers. I'm sorry, you should have said that

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prior to that, in terms of X Men the animated series if you're

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watching it through now, but it's a little different. A

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little matches up. But I would say the X Men Dark Phoenix does

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kind of hit on certain things that does come from the comic,

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but just doesn't use the right people or character.

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I am glad I didn't do that clone body stuff because I

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still don't follow it. But sure, you know, have a backup in case

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something goes wrong. Okay, so that is so that's that's the

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Dark Phoenix comparison and comment so does get some things

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right. But so springing right, why did it go wrong? Well,

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here's the thing. There's a ton of conflicting information on

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the internet about how extensive the shoots reshoots for what was

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going on behind the scenes. So the end there's an entire Reddit

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thread that claims to have another version of the script,

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which some stuff lines up some stuff doesn't. So I'm going to

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stick to the stuff that has been commonly agreed across all

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media. So I'm going to ask you, would it surprise you to know

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that the Dubarry were not the original villains of this movie?

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You know, I had a sense because I was just like,

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this entire thing feels like from my reading and research of

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this feels more like the Hellfire Club or vein thing. And

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I was like, what? Why do you think we just go with people who

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have been working behind the scenes all this time? That seems

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more real to me. So funny you say that because the

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original script was going to have Jessica Chasteen playing

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Lilandra of the car empire. Oh, that would have been good. And

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the Hellfire Club would have also been in the movie as

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another antagonists. So there would have been multiple

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antagonists in the movie. So what happened? Well, Fox knew

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during the process after apocalypse is financial failure,

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that they were going to reboot the universe. This is back when

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they were rebooting the universe. So they at this point,

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they knew this movie was going to be the big ending. So they

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said, Simon Kinberg go and do whatever you want with it. Have

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a big Dark Phoenix blowout, so he attended to to have the

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Hellfire Club Alandra. But the thing was, he wanted the story

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to be cosmic, but not to cosmic. What does that mean? I don't

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know. But at some point, he stepped away from Alandra

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because he felt that was too cosmic and replaced the Alandra

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with the scrolls. So Jessica Chastain and all her aliens were

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scrolls, for the longest time in the final skin, the scripts.

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Furthermore, there they had a plan. So in the original script,

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the scrolls came to Earth, following the Phoenix Force

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because they wanted to harness it for their own purposes. After

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it's settled in gene. Their plan basically, was to infiltrate

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Earth in the highest echelons of government, manipulate gene into

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essentially doings to destroying parts of Earth, in a very public

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fashion. And then once gene had done that, and framed and they

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could frame the mutants, they would come in as saviors and

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take the force from themselves and also take over the world. So

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the reason why space Karen doesn't take the power away in

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the movie is because she wanted Jean to have it in the final act

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for a very specific reason. Um, this sounds a lot

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like the plot lines of two movies in the same

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universe. Oh, um, but also, this explains a lot like, Why the

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sudden shift in like the X Men in general, because like, it was

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there, regardless heroes, and then as soon as Jean goes to see

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her dad who basically abandoned her, and she should rightfully

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be angry about that. They literally they're calling the

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cops on her. The military gets involved with she has over to

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Juno's, like a lot of that makes sense. It was like earlier in

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scenes that she was doing things to destroy things. They felt

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like they even the President being like, Yo, I can't talk to

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you anymore would have made more sense.

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Yeah. And that's why also, some scenes also would

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have made more sense, like the squirrels would have originally

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seen Professor X getting the metal from the president like he

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does in the movie. And that's where they come up with a plan

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on the spot of mutants. And like Oh, mutants are almost accepted.

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Let's run with this. So there are rumors that unsubstantiated

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that the reason why these changes happened was because of

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the Disney acquisition of Fox. And because there was scrolls in

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Captain Marvel, which was releasing the same year they

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were demanded to take them out. And that is unconfirmed. But

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what they do know is they had bad test screenings. And they

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did change the last act, which was originally a fight at the

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UN. Jean Grey was going to fly up into space to repel alien

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spaceships, piloted bus scrolls. Does that sound familiar to you?

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Like God? Yeah,

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they wrote the ending of Captain Marvel by accident. And

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wow, the movie was going to come out before Captain Marvel in

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2018. But because they had to wait months and months for

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reshoots, because they could not get this cast together. The cast

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was really busy on other projects, so they missed the

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boat on getting this out before Captain Marvel and had to

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reshoot it. The third act to take place on a train because

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they were confident Marvel wasn't doing that. But So

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basically, to sum up what happened here, they wanted to do

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the Dark Phoenix story, they blinked when at the cosmic

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aspects a little too hard, decided to pull back. And

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because they reoriented too late in the process, they had to take

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apart the script. And tie it together by changing the name of

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the villain take removing the villains motivations completely

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from the story. And as a result, you get this. This this kind of

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this final result that feels like some things were not

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stitched together, right. Also, Jean Grey would have heard

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voices throughout the entire movie, which would have also

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made her her mental state more urgent. And, and she would have

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heard that she's a murderer, and she wasn't sure if the voices

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were from her head or she was hearing other people say it. I

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imagined just adding that

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I didn't want this to how was that there was

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nothing else in any other production that was related to

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Disney or anything like that, that would have used that line

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that would have been perfect. If we added that in and made more.

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Well, as it is, this is what we got. So all that to say

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that the end of the day, the Dark Phoenix we did get isn't a

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cape or cat for you.

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Oh, this is a certified cat. I was really

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rooting for this one. Especially because I knew it was doomed

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when it first came out. But I was hoping that maybe it wasn't

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as bad as I remembered it to be. But, you know, honestly,

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compared to Suicide Squad, Suicide Squad had a more linear

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storytelling than this did. The things that I had issues with

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were just like, really just character motivations. Like, the

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whole, the whole sense of like the Dubarry and VOOC. Like the

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fact that they're, they're never really introduced properly. Like

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we don't have a sense, like they give the story about the cosmic

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entity and how it could create worlds and how it could destroy

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worlds. But like, none of the stuff actually makes sense as

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to, like, hey, let's I'm going to take over. Like they're not

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even like, oh, we want to take over Earth to expand our empire

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which like yeah, as a scroll kind of mindset. But as we seen

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in the MCU, as of late for which I'm talking about, like for

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Captain Marvel and for Secret Invasion. It's not like that as

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the motivation of the scrolls anymore. Like it's they're just

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chillin, they don't have a world. So they could have easily

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just said that we wanted to create a new, like, we just want

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to expand our empire. And we've known that the cosmic entity

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could do this, which would have to me easily combined two

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characters to some teams versus like the bar just faded out

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there like that. But also bringing a lot of this like

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Hellfire Club mindset of just like we want to control things.

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The other issue that I had, which was a big issue for me was

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ravens death. It is the most hollow death I've ever felt in

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my entire life. Like there is a better writing about the

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influence that a character's death has had on like the

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characters in the movie. And you got served like to this day,

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Little Saints death has a hold on our community. s&p

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So it'll say exactly we still

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don't know got you but we go Oh, but like here for

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Raven, it was just like very hollow. We don't see anything

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except for like some brief moments of emotion from like

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Magneto and beasts. And honestly beasts was the most emotional

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about it. But it was like for all of like, three seconds

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compared to Magneto who was like rolling with her and was just

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like she had like been on his team. And then Charles, who had

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known her since she was a child since they were children. Sorry.

ComicChams:

So it just feels like it was just like Jennifer felt like at

ComicChams:

this point. As I was watching I was like this is clearly the

ComicChams:

moment when like Jennifer Lawrence, if I remember

ComicChams:

correctly, she was like I'm done. I don't want to do this

ComicChams:

anymore. Honestly, at that point, you could just take her

ComicChams:

out off screen. Just be like she left he wanted to do something

ComicChams:

else. She she died off screen. You had eight years to toy

ComicChams:

around with this versus less killer off in the first like,

ComicChams:

like 510 minutes of the film, and then never introduced the

ComicChams:

fact that like Jean has this. This like this moment where

ComicChams:

she's like struggling with the fact that she killed her friend,

ComicChams:

because honestly, it doesn't even feel like they are friends.

ComicChams:

It just feels like Raven was just doing her job of being the

ComicChams:

leader. She's very forgotten after the first 20 minutes of

ComicChams:

the film. Um, but I will say that the movie did have its good

ComicChams:

moments, I think the CGI was kind of cool. Mostly was storms

ComicChams:

power and like Cyclops, I mean, it now is getting to a point

ComicChams:

where people are recognizing that like, Cyclops has powers

ComicChams:

more of a Connecticut versus a laser itself. So unfortunately,

ComicChams:

this still falls in line with this. And I also did like that

ComicChams:

line in the beginning, I felt like it was a good line in terms

ComicChams:

of like the pen the use of a pen. I think also the, the

ComicChams:

confrontation like first introductory moment of that

ComicChams:

competition between Jean and her father, were a like clicks for

ComicChams:

her that he gave her away and that like, it was truly

ComicChams:

intentional. did feel real, it felt like that was the natural

ComicChams:

progression. I'm glad it didn't kind of like dry down and be

ComicChams:

like, she's hanging around, she's grabbing a cup of tea.

ComicChams:

He's in the meanwhile working behind the scenes to try to like

ComicChams:

call the cops or her tried to like call Xavier to find out

ComicChams:

what's going on. Like we're seeing him like trying to toy

ComicChams:

around with that. It was like immediately like, Hey, I don't

ComicChams:

see any pictures of myself. You did this on purpose. And that

ComicChams:

was the only logical leap I felt in this movie. But what about

ComicChams:

you? Are you giving this movie? A cape, the storm cape? Or is

ComicChams:

this all bigger captain, the friends of humanity.

Arete:

This is a big, big cap for me. The movie struggles to

Arete:

establish any actual conflicts. Because if you really think

Arete:

about it, a lot of the conflicts in this movie don't actually

Arete:

exist. The whole thing with the Dubarry aliens, there isn't

Arete:

actually a conflict because they can either steal the power from

Arete:

her or ask her nicely to create the world. They don't have to go

Arete:

through any of the things they go through in the movie at all.

Arete:

Including interrogating a her father for her location because

Arete:

they find gene randomly at a bar. So you know, like think

Arete:

about that. They don't actually need to do that. Yeah, they the

Arete:

whole government and police coming after the X Men is so

Arete:

inconsistent in this movie, their heroes one day, and one of

Arete:

them goes rogue and it's over. There's not enough background to

Arete:

understand why that would happen. Because of anything.

Arete:

After the events of Apocalypse were for mutants almost assure

Arete:

the world they should be in a bad situation now. But most of

Arete:

all, the Dark Phoenix conflict, the more you look at it, it just

Arete:

doesn't make any sense. Does the Dark Phoenix have its own

Arete:

sentient? Life? That or is it gene that's doing all of this,

Arete:

because the first time it comes out at the party, it's not

Arete:

triggered by any emotional feelings that Jean is having. It

Arete:

just happens. And then in an following scenes, it's implied

Arete:

that it is triggered by her motion. And then it's like, it

Arete:

goes a yo Yos. And had they simply chosen in the beginning

Arete:

that it is triggered by an emotion maybe someone mentions

Arete:

the dad, she starts having memories of her dad. And then

Arete:

um, I I'm okay with it, then consistently have it triggered

Arete:

by emotion anytime she has extreme emotions. It triggers. I

Arete:

know, this is branching into storm territory, but you weren't

Arete:

using that for storm. So might as well use it for Dark Phoenix.

Arete:

So yeah, and as a result, the movie just feels really

Arete:

disconnected. It feels really disorganized the entire time

Arete:

you're there. And it's just the pacing is its goes by the

Arete:

criminal sin of being boring it parts. Sad to say, because the

Arete:

actors are giving great performances. The movie looks

Arete:

really really good at some points when it wants to be. But

Arete:

this just does not feel really tightly bound. And again, I

Arete:

guess it's a common theme because needed Suicide Squad in

Arete:

the previous week. But yes, something about this feels off.

Arete:

And I don't I think we need to leave this to the ashes and go

Arete:

to other X Men movies. I think this one can be left behind.

Arete:

Firmly. Let's fly away from this one. And look at it, let it sit,

Arete:

let it die. Just let it rest. Yeah, I also thought

ComicChams:

you brought up a really good point about the

ComicChams:

emotion of like, what is the is the genes emotion being

ComicChams:

influenced by the Dark Phoenix or is it dark means influencing

ComicChams:

genes emotion, because I agree it's, as I remember watching

ComicChams:

like compared to other versions of another adaptation of The

ComicChams:

Dark Phoenix. Gene goes full evil, like there's no doubt

ComicChams:

about it. She's literally causing harm and like yes, she

ComicChams:

killed Raven in this movie, but that definitely seems like

ComicChams:

everything is seems like she's doing this all by accident, she

ComicChams:

doesn't really give any kind of malicious dialogue in any way,

ComicChams:

shape or form. So it is confusing to watch this film and

ComicChams:

be like, we have no idea who we're supposed to be siding

ComicChams:

with. Because there's no true sense of who are the heroes

ComicChams:

because the entire time it's like, yeah, you're supposed to

ComicChams:

root for the X Men, but most of them get kicked off to the side.

ComicChams:

You never see them again. Charles is treated like a

ComicChams:

villain because he's villain five for the fact that he was

ComicChams:

toying around with jeans, mind and everything. And then on the

ComicChams:

other side, it's like, Jean feels she's just like, doing

ComicChams:

things not for her own sense of wanting to do it just seems like

ComicChams:

it's literally everybody else is influencing her telling her to

ComicChams:

do this thing. And the people who she attack or people who are

ComicChams:

attacking her.

Arete:

Yeah, there's a rumor that part of the rumor thread is

Arete:

that when the moment comes, because in the movie, she's

Arete:

talking to Raven, and she has an emotional outburst and kills

Arete:

Raven. But originally, while she's talking to Raven, she says

Arete:

from Raven that she wants to leave the X Men. So she stopped

Arete:

trusting Raven, because ravens like come back with us. They

Arete:

Excellent. She's like, but you even want to leave. So she

Arete:

senses that doubt. And like it's keeping Raven at arm's length.

Arete:

Beast to protect Raven tries to shoot Jean, then Jean does the

Arete:

blast. And that's what kills mystique. So it's her trying to

Arete:

defend herself but going too far, instead of just having

Arete:

another emotional outburst. And that drives her mental state

Arete:

higher because now she is the killer that they feared. Yeah.

Arete:

And yeah, she senses everyone's scared of us. So there's things

Arete:

that, again, can't 100% confirm, but sound like they would have

Arete:

slotted in perfectly in the movie without many changes.

Arete:

Audio dialogue really? Could have easily gone there. So yeah,

Arete:

I think I agree. I think it just doesn't feel he doesn't feel

Arete:

evil enough. He's not evil enough, this movie. And there's

Arete:

no one really is evil enough in this movie, which is a bigger

Arete:

profit.

ComicChams:

So just sounds like at the end of the day, the main

ComicChams:

issue is just like not being able to get into the mind of the

ComicChams:

characters, which is very ironic when you're writing characters

ComicChams:

who are telekinetic and telepathic.

Unknown:

Um, but yeah, so that's Dark Phoenix, the seconds on big

Unknown:

screen adaptation of this, the menu. I think this is I don't

Unknown:

know how many versions of the dark, dark Phoenix Saga

ComicChams:

we have actually seen, but it's been done so many

ComicChams:

times. Hopefully, this will be some time before we see it

ComicChams:

again. Because again, X Men have some really great stories. Even

ComicChams:

right now in the comics, they've always kind of had to deal with

ComicChams:

the fact and unfortunately, since they've never been a part

ComicChams:

of the larger MCU they've just been pulled out of the

ComicChams:

continuity a lot, put back in, pull back out, put back in right

ComicChams:

now unfortunately, at the point where they're being put back in.

ComicChams:

So hopefully, with like this new set of excellent storytelling

ComicChams:

being told, people getting the recognition that they deserve

ComicChams:

shout the storm to always now being considered Omega level

ComicChams:

mutant. Especially with just like the growing appreciation of

ComicChams:

X Men 97 Right now I feel like literally everybody is just

ComicChams:

talking about it. I don't know if you've seen in the last

ComicChams:

couple of episodes, or if you started watching it. Yeah,

ComicChams:

Andrew. Oh,

Arete:

yeah, I'm I'm going from the beginning. So I'm right now

Arete:

I just finished the Dark Phoenix Saga, and I'm working my way to

Arete:

97 for the full experience.

ComicChams:

Nice. Nice. So yeah, just join along for the

ComicChams:

continued adventures of the X Men. And also join along for us

ComicChams:

for our continued adventures do caper cap on this bonus season

ComicChams:

of yet another DC animated podcast. As next week. We are

ComicChams:

hopping over it guests in the entire ocean to tell the story.

ComicChams:

But another, I guess Can we call them a cosmic hero of sorts

Arete:

we can in this movie, certainly.

ComicChams:

Yes, please join us next week as we cover one of the

ComicChams:

wildest adaptations of an anime production. Dragon Ball

ComicChams:

evolution.

Arete:

Please give us your energy. Please. Put your hands

Arete:

in the sky and lend us your energy. We're gonna need it.

ComicChams:

Yeah, let's get ready for that. So that wraps up

ComicChams:

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Take care of yourselves and remember that if you're going to

ComicChams:

basically roll up on someone's US government sanctioned place,

ComicChams:

don't bring no heat on them. Like this is not that type of

ComicChams:

sanctuary. I'm pretty sure that Magneto just really wanted a

ComicChams:

calm space to reside in and now find out that you killed that

ComicChams:

you killed his boy or his friend

Arete:

back. And if you see a bunch of aliens come in towards

Arete:

your nice house on the edge of the lake. Just run don't go

Arete:

towards them because I just try it at least you know, take a

Arete:

video live stream it Come on, save us

ComicChams:

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