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15th Apr 2024

Dragonball Evolution

Chamar and Andrew are back with yet another bonus episode as we continue the "Cape or Cap" season with Dragonball Evolution. As always, we are here to ask the big questions: Does the story make sense? How does it compare to its comic adaptation? What was happening behind the scenes? Is it a good addition to the universe? And most importantly, did the film earn its CAPE or was the hype around it all CAP?

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00:00:00 Intro

00:10:08 Movie Recap

01:02:31 Comic Knowledge

01:19:04 Behind the Scenes

01:21:00 "Cape or Cap" Decision

01:33:43 The Ending Reminder

Transcript
ComicChams:

I feel like we use the word Brolic in association

ComicChams:

with Broly that's my own personal belief.

Arete:

No, it's 100% True. We definitely took that. And I have

Arete:

no other explanation

ComicChams:

Hi, I'm chamar Griffith codename Comicchams.

Arete:

And I'm Andrew Tejada. Codename Arete this season we're

Arete:

looking at the worst superhero movies ever and seeing if

Arete:

they're fun or straight up dumb on Cape or cap

ComicChams:

a bonus season of yet another DC animated podcast

ComicChams:

Welcome to Cape or cap our bonus season here on yet another DC

ComicChams:

animated podcast. My name is chamar Griffith Codename comics

ComicChams:

chams.

Arete:

And I am Andrew tejada. Codename

ComicChams:

arete Andrew and I have known each other since

ComicChams:

1996. That was

Arete:

the year the last episode of Dragon Ball Z aired in Japan

Arete:

ah yeah yeah, after this some people will gonna wish it stayed

Arete:

that way. You know? Spoilers

ComicChams:

Yes, this franchise has survived so much. Beginning

ComicChams:

since the 80s Oh, actually, we're celebrating the 40th

ComicChams:

anniversary of it really? And in 96 we ended Dragonball Z A

ComicChams:

couple years later in 2009 We received the film

Arete:

it's called films stretch your Yeah, it's a it is a

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collection of events on screen certainly. We witnessed all of

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it.

ComicChams:

That's right because for today's capital Cape season

ComicChams:

episode we're talking about the movie that basically not only

ComicChams:

ended live action adaptations of Dragonball for a while are

ComicChams:

actually in general

Arete:

yeah

ComicChams:

this one was also I feel like we should have known

ComicChams:

that this was the warning sign of bad live action adaptations

ComicChams:

of animate that will just run the 2010s I think because

ComicChams:

between like this movie, death No. Think Fullmetal Alchemist

ComicChams:

came out around the same time to this was the movie that started

ComicChams:

it all. Dragon Ball evolution notice I said Dragon Ball not

ComicChams:

Dragon Ball.

Arete:

Man the the names in this movie will get there.

ComicChams:

Yes. Because at a runtime of 85 minutes, we got

ComicChams:

this 2009 film directed by James Wong. This will be his last

ComicChams:

movie directing on the big screen. Yes.

Arete:

Not James Wan guys, James Wong. We want to make that very

Arete:

clear. This has not changed. w

ComicChams:

o n g. We're spelling that correctly. But

ComicChams:

prior to this film, he also directed the first and third

ComicChams:

films and Final Destination kind of scenes for the night he's

ComicChams:

directed films about people killing off things. We got to at

ComicChams:

least the one but he does he does speak good stuff. I will

ComicChams:

say because I did enjoy at least one but more importantly, he

ComicChams:

made some great stuff by famously writing for great

ComicChams:

number of episodes of The X Files.

Arete:

Yeah, you know, sometimes writers. You know writers are

Arete:

important and sometimes writers might might like writing more

Arete:

than making adaptations of anime.

Unknown:

Very true. Speaking of writers, we got the writer of

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the screenplay here Ben Ramsay is known for writing Mark

Unknown:

Wahlberg is a big hit. He wrote and erected love and a bullet

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starring TREACH from naughty by nature as the rap group, you

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know, educating y'all out there.

ComicChams:

He also directed blood and bone starring Michael

ComicChams:

J. White. And this one funny thing about this blood bone

ComicChams:

arrests came out the same year as Dragonball Evolution. So this

ComicChams:

might explain something.

Arete:

Maybe it's working some things out. Yeah.

ComicChams:

But most importantly, this was my

ComicChams:

favorite thing about this. Ben here, worked on the art

ComicChams:

department for Don't be a menace in south central while drinking

ComicChams:

your juice in the hood.

Arete:

I mean, everything looks ghetto as hell, in terms of

Arete:

production design, so that's what he was going for. Sure.

ComicChams:

We usually don't do this but we do. I do want to

ComicChams:

give a special shout out to the executive producers as we have

ComicChams:

the late great Akira Toriyama. Rip Sensei, who upon the release

ComicChams:

of this movie, actually apologized for what happened and

ComicChams:

immediately went to work. Right after and started writing and

ComicChams:

putting together several animated movies dedicated to

ComicChams:

this universe after he finished the already and even started off

ComicChams:

with the sequel series that we know from Super superhero. And I

ComicChams:

know he must have been tight because like this whole movie

ComicChams:

should have basically been like an easy paycheck for him. It

ComicChams:

really led to him having to do more work.

Arete:

Yeah, I, you know, can't understate how much of

Arete:

influential Akira Toriyama was and his series was into bringing

Arete:

animate to the west and to getting I know myself personally

Arete:

into anime. He did that. And it is just a shame that a movie

Arete:

exists that will turn you away from anime permanently.

ComicChams:

Yeah, it's very true and you know, yes. Not going to

ComicChams:

downsize the impact that Akira has had like I'm literally

ComicChams:

recording this episode right now wearing like a Dragonball Z

ComicChams:

hoodie. Semi dressed as Goku. I tried. I really try.

Arete:

I got a monkey tail temporarily implanted for this,

Arete:

you know? More than the movie.

ComicChams:

But alright, right. The NEC is gonna jump right into

ComicChams:

this movie. Really starting with the cast list because we got

ComicChams:

Justin Chatwin as Goku. Justin would later go on to be a star

ComicChams:

in the show. Shameless, which is saying a lot about his portrayal

ComicChams:

of Goku in here. Chow Yun Fat is Master Roshi know him from

ComicChams:

Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon and a lot of martial arts films

ComicChams:

that really broke out here in the west side of the world. In

ComicChams:

the early 2000s. Mr. Awesome will actually end up joining

ComicChams:

Justin in shameless as she's here today as BOMA, which is

ComicChams:

really hilarious that these two were in this movie and about two

ComicChams:

years later ended up being shameless. I feel like this had

ComicChams:

to be like a Saturday project for them.

Arete:

Yeah, and they also hung out with the Joker the future

Arete:

Joker, prototype Joker, Cameron Monaghan. Oh my god. Yes, yes.

ComicChams:

Luckily, he was not in this film, but someone who,

ComicChams:

to me personally gives very similar energy. We got James

ComicChams:

Marsters who was playing King Piccolo. I just found out after

ComicChams:

watching this film that was him.

Arete:

Yeah, yep, he is. Thankfully unrecognizable in

Arete:

that makeup. Oh,

ComicChams:

yeah. Yeah, look out Suicide Squad. You're lucky this

ComicChams:

didn't come out in 2016 You

Arete:

could have won an Oscar. Um,

ComicChams:

we got June Park.

Unknown:

He is a South South Korean pop star and actor known

Unknown:

for being a part of the group God or God. I'm not entirely too

Unknown:

sure how to pronounce it. But today he is Yamcha

ComicChams:

Erica, tomorrow is my go. She

Arete:

was my okay. I didn't even bother to look up who she

Arete:

was play. Wow, that's an interpretation.

ComicChams:

Yeah, if you're a Dragon Ball fan, you know and if

ComicChams:

you're not a Dragon Ball fan, we will tell you soon. Oh, Randall

ComicChams:

Doug Kim, known famously as Master Oogway in the Kung Fu

ComicChams:

Panda series. Today he's playing grandpa Gohan or go hand as they

ComicChams:

pronounced in the movie.

Arete:

Yeah, when? Yeah, yeah, as long as he's alive.

ComicChams:

Another big star during this time and I feel like

ComicChams:

she has been in so many movies that is countless just to kind

ComicChams:

of go through her resume right now. But Jamie Chung she is here

ComicChams:

today playing the role of chichi the as we know in the Dragon

ComicChams:

Ball series, a future wife and of the future wife and amazing

ComicChams:

fighter of sorry, the future wife of Goku and be amazing

ComicChams:

fighter. She already is.

Arete:

Yeah, I think she's she fought her way out of the bad

Arete:

reputation. This movie. I think she had the most solid. Oh,

Arete:

yeah. Hello career next to James Marsters, I think after this.

Arete:

Yeah, I

ComicChams:

definitely like I again, like it. There's like,

ComicChams:

it's been so long since I've seen this movie, mainly because

ComicChams:

I've been avoiding it for so long. That these two were like

ComicChams:

people who I did not expect to see in this film, including the

ComicChams:

last person that we have on our list. This was such a surprise

ComicChams:

for me, because when I saw him, I thought it was him and I was

ComicChams:

like, Nah, that can't be he wouldn't do this. Currently, he

ComicChams:

has been killing it in Ghostbusters. You know, he was

ComicChams:

the first black Ghostbuster was a hero to all when it came to

ComicChams:

busting ghosts and everything. Today we got Ernie Hudson, in

ComicChams:

the very short role of seafood Norris.

Arete:

Well, yeah, okay.

ComicChams:

I won't let you ponder that anymore. All right,

ComicChams:

well with that we're just going to instant transmission to the

ComicChams:

beginning of Dragon Ball evolution.

Arete:

Like all great movies, it opens with narration. And look,

Arete:

we could sit here like Cinema Sins and being every inaccuracy

Arete:

in this but let we're going to try to not do too much of that

Arete:

because we'd be here for seven hours. But in this universe,

Arete:

again we're getting we know all of this is wrong in advance. Oh,

Arete:

yes, but we're just going to cover it as it's presented to

Arete:

us. So in this universe 1000s of years ago, Piccolo, comes from

Arete:

his home planet brings a great ape to earth as his number two

Arete:

guy together. They're just wreaking havoc on Earth and not

Arete:

stopped when they use a technique called the Mfu. Ba.

Arete:

Which a cat it captured him like Rita Repulsa in Power Rangers,

Arete:

and he was captured for like 1000 years. What happened to the

Arete:

Great Ape? Don't worry about it. All right. It's not important

Arete:

because I don't know what happens to the Great Ape that

Arete:

was with them. Did he die? Did it was it supposed to be Goku

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ancestor and then

ComicChams:

I'm still trying to wrap my mind over the fact that

ComicChams:

it was seven mistakes who created the seven dragon balls?

Arete:

Oh, I I blacked out. Blacked out at that part. Yeah,

Arete:

so it this is the backstory. Okay, I have to do this one and

Arete:

the original source material. This is like a 60 year

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difference. And it turned into 1000s of years for no reason.

Arete:

Okay. All right. So okay, okay. Bring it back in equal weight

Arete:

this energy. Okay. So that all happens. So after we get the

Arete:

narration, we cut to modern day which is in the future but also

Arete:

not, which is the Dragon Ball aesthetic. Yeah, yeah. It's

Arete:

futuristic, but it's also has elements of like rules

Arete:

societies. So it's kind of getting there. But the problem

Arete:

is it leans too much on the future side of it. So it does

Arete:

look like it's the future but not in any case. In the future,

Arete:

but not as a teenage teenage Goku is training with Master

Arete:

Colheita not going to

ComicChams:

go Thank you. Also, I want to say that Goku in this

ComicChams:

they treat them as a teenager but this man little older than

ComicChams:

commander yet they say that he's younger than command.

Arete:

Especially when he does that forehead vein thing. Oh, he

Arete:

just gained 16 years.

ComicChams:

This man goes through stress. But like you

ComicChams:

were mentioning it's Goku he is training with his grandfather go

ComicChams:

hon not go hand it's a fun little scene because the two of

ComicChams:

them are on a tight tight ropes trying to like bow battle it out

ComicChams:

they're using was supposed to be representations of key which is

ComicChams:

basically in this movie giant gust of energy not sorry, not in

ComicChams:

a giant gust of wind. You see how I said energy because it's

ComicChams:

almost a light bulb could have worked here. And we learned that

ComicChams:

the thing that comes out of this is just like the two of them are

ComicChams:

having fun. Grandpa Gohan is just basically saying that like

ComicChams:

when they're when you're fighting in this particular

ComicChams:

matchup with me. The rules are there are no rules. So it's just

ComicChams:

like basically anybody could die and okay, because there are no

ComicChams:

rules. That's almost how much I interpreted as Goku ends up

ComicChams:

losing however, right before he does kick a bug into his

ComicChams:

grandfather's mouth, which distracts him but he still

ComicChams:

loses. That's not the point. This is when he's like, Alright,

ComicChams:

I gotta go gotta get ready for school. And this was the first

ComicChams:

time I was I remember the first time watching this I was just

ComicChams:

like, wait, hold up, Goku was educated.

Arete:

Yes, this is one of the odd changes because the reason

Arete:

why Goku is known as this fighter in the series is because

Arete:

he's left alone for a large portion of his life and all he

Arete:

He does his fight. He doesn't really get an education. And

Arete:

fortunately for him, it turns out that he's one of the

Arete:

strongest people on Earth. So we kind of need him to keep

Arete:

fighting. So that works out for him. So here, he just goes to

Arete:

school and he is, he keeps telling us, you know that he's

Arete:

an odd teenager. He seems like a normal teenager, honestly. Like,

Unknown:

honestly. Yeah.

Arete:

He has a bookbag he's going to school. He's got a

Arete:

little motorbike. Yeah. So he seems pretty, relatively normal.

Arete:

And here's, here's there's also a line here where he promises

Arete:

his grandpa Gohan that he won't fight. If he gets in trouble at

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school. If you want to turn off the movie at this point, and

Arete:

leave we understand because if you know anything about Goku,

Arete:

he's fighting. fight anybody at anytime. Like it's it's on site.

Arete:

He'll fight like

ComicChams:

you gotta see this. Goku will fight you. Do you not

ComicChams:

have this Goku will fight you. Does

Arete:

on site. And they'll ask he'll ask. And you know, Goku

Arete:

says all he wants is to be normal and get girls. Even if

Arete:

this wasn't a butchering of a character, that would be a

Arete:

horrible motivation to introduce your hero. And after all this

Arete:

whining and complaining, he is gifted a Dragon Ball from one of

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the one of the seven Mystic Dragon Balls. He just handed it

Arete:

and Grandpa go on says take that to school, son. And now we're at

Arete:

school where Goku is almost killed. Yeah,

ComicChams:

because as he parks his bike he gets off of it. He's

ComicChams:

immediately run over by I'm assuming this was a Camaro

ComicChams:

mainly because of everything that was happening with

ComicChams:

transformers, which I think the third Transformers film may have

ComicChams:

come at this point. So everybody was really into commercials at

ComicChams:

this point.

Unknown:

So he gets run over by Well, sorry, his bike, not him.

Unknown:

I'm assuming this was trying to be a play on the fact of when

Unknown:

Bulma almost ran him or actually hit him with the car. But it

Unknown:

does not work out well. So he gets upset he tries to fight

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these bullies. One vicious play by a man by name of Texas battle

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like

ComicChams:

this was his legit name. And I'm just like, I feel

ComicChams:

like he chose the wrong career path.

Arete:

points for originality, buddy.

ComicChams:

But Goku does hold back. And this is mainly because

ComicChams:

Chi Chi who's played by Jamie Chung here, she walks in kind of

ComicChams:

pulls everybody away because it seems to be that she's in a

ComicChams:

relationship with Texas or situation ship whatever is

ComicChams:

happening here. Um, so, while in school, Goku is getting

ComicChams:

education. He's learning about the solar eclipse. At the same

ComicChams:

time, we see basically King Piccolo. Actually wait do they

ComicChams:

call him King Piccolo in this movie?

Arete:

I I don't remember.

ComicChams:

King Piccolo because that's what I know in my heart.

ComicChams:

All right. King Piccolo is on his ship. He's investigating

ComicChams:

trying to find the rest of the Dragon Balls. He's joined by his

ComicChams:

henchmen my they're all They're all on this journey. He

ComicChams:

eventually drops like some kind of energy bomb into which looks

ComicChams:

basically like a condensed form of a fart town into some body

ComicChams:

into like a little countries area and everything it I'm

ComicChams:

assuming because they never actually show it that it

ComicChams:

destroys everything and blows everything up. So they try to

ComicChams:

find there's these two individuals who trying to find

ComicChams:

sanctuary in there seems to be like a woman and a young child,

ComicChams:

possibly her daughter. So they hide underneath. And we see that

ComicChams:

my is down there now searching for the other dragon balls that

ComicChams:

they detected down there. And she my finds it brings it back

ComicChams:

up to pick King Piccolo. And basically we go back to Goku

ComicChams:

learning about solar eclipses. He's not paying attention

ComicChams:

because I gotta say this, this entire setup of him looking at

ComicChams:

Chi Chi, and they're like flowers blooming in the

ComicChams:

background. I feel like this was the introductory this was

ComicChams:

probably the same school as the Twilight movies. Something about

ComicChams:

this looks so familiar. And this is when he was just like, This

ComicChams:

movie's over me the wrong way.

Arete:

Yeah, she's eating strawberries in his fantasy. Is

Arete:

that a metaphor? Doesn't anyone know I'm not like, oh, maybe?

Arete:

Yeah. Oh, okay, caca rot, but that might have been actually

Arete:

too much. But I would have applauded them for the boldness,

Arete:

if they had gone for it. Go coos daydream of strawberries is

Arete:

rudely interrupted when he is asked about the Eclipse and what

Arete:

what do you do during an eclipse? And instead of saying

Arete:

Don't stare at the sun like any normal person, he says, His

Arete:

grandpa told them beware the namics, an alien race that

Arete:

invaded Earth. How would they know this? I don't know. I don't

Arete:

I don't I can't ask that question. But that's what he

Arete:

knows he kind of rehashes the opening. That won't be the first

Arete:

time Don't worry. And immediately we cut to outside of

Arete:

class where chichi is having trouble with her locker. So Goku

Arete:

opens it with the key blast. And she she immediately calls him

Arete:

out. He tries to hide but he's too slow to get away in time. Or

Arete:

chichi is really fast, either or in a line that is going right up

Arete:

here in the Hall of lame with X Men and X women saving the day

Arete:

all the time. She She says just because my name is Chi Chi

Arete:

doesn't mean I'm stupid. If anybody out there, your name is

Arete:

Chi Chi. I'm sorry that this line was written. I made no

Arete:

assumptions on you based her name, and I won't. I'm making

Arete:

assumptions of whoever wrote that line or edited it. Why? Why

Arete:

did you do this? Agree?

ComicChams:

Because like, this is also I've heard this nickname

ComicChams:

before. And then it has never actually even been associated

ComicChams:

with Dragon Ball or any of the storytelling. So the fact that

ComicChams:

you somewhat had the audacity to stand there and write this line

ComicChams:

and was like, hell yeah, I

Unknown:

cooked it and throw it into the movie. I was this was

Unknown:

really, really dumb because it then leads into Goku trying to

Unknown:

defend it by saying that I didn't think you're dumb but in

Unknown:

his comment, he stills like calling her dumb. And this is

Unknown:

like I understand that they're trying to give the guy who's

Unknown:

super attracted to this girl says dumb things.

ComicChams:

But a lot of this ended up just being insulting to

ComicChams:

chichi. But somehow it winds her over to the point where she's

ComicChams:

just like, hey, I'm having a party later on. You should come

ComicChams:

by. Um, so Goku is just getting ready. He's back at home. He's

ComicChams:

trying to look as normal as possible. Which I'm like, to me,

ComicChams:

I'm just like, I don't get it. Because it's not like you're not

ComicChams:

not normal. Like you're pretty. You're pretty average dude. If

ComicChams:

you really look at yourself, like no one's gonna know

ComicChams:

anything different about you. Even tries using some hair glue

ComicChams:

to slick his hair back a lot because he does in the movie, AV

ComicChams:

like it's not the typical Goku hair cut, but it's just

ComicChams:

basically a very high cut fade. That probably see a lot of

ComicChams:

people were wearing during the 2010s Honestly. So he tries

ComicChams:

slicking his hair back. Unfortunately, as a sight gag

ComicChams:

the hair is just too strong so flicks all the hair glue back up

ComicChams:

onto the thing. And this is when you hear that his that grandpa

ComicChams:

Gohan is just like basically prepping dinner for what's

ComicChams:

supposed to be Goku 18th birthday. But Goku has plans and

ComicChams:

he's just like he just really wants to go and be a normal

ComicChams:

teenager.

Arete:

Yeah, he had to miss out on all that delicious chicken

Arete:

feed that grandpa Gohan was making. i He looked like he was

Arete:

seasoned at it. I'm not gonna lie the way he

ComicChams:

will say yeah,

Arete:

he was looking at that. I was like, maybe I'd give it a

Arete:

shot. What's weird about this scene is Goku leaves without

Arete:

saying goodbye. And in normal movies. In this kind of

Arete:

scenario. The teenager has been banned from doing the thing or

Arete:

get in trouble from doing the thing. Here he just skips out on

Arete:

his grandpa with no explanation. No. No reason at all. So I don't

Arete:

understand why he can't say goodbye I'm going I'm gonna step

Arete:

out for like five minutes. You were allowed to go.

ComicChams:

This man did not have a curfew on like most of us

ComicChams:

who are watching this movie in 2009. Like,

Arete:

we would get in more trouble. So Goku gets to the

Arete:

party immediately. It's on site with the these bullies, they

Arete:

they're they're more Goku than he is. Because they tried to

Arete:

take them on in a fight when the lead guy pours out of glass of

Arete:

water to intimidate Goku, and my my nephews have outgrown this

Arete:

like maybe three years ago they would like if paid for they

Arete:

would pour water on the floor and just look at you and Miss

Arete:

Miss Shinsengumi. But yeah, so that's what I thought of when my

Arete:

he did that. I was like, that's what my nephews would do when

Arete:

they were four years old. So, instead of fighting them,

Arete:

though, who just dodges them so they hate each other. At one

Arete:

point, the fuller comes out of the house and because Goku was

Arete:

dodging so artfully full of destroys his own car. And

Arete:

everything here is rendered in slomo for no apparent reason.

Arete:

And after the scene after all the bullies are down, chichi

Arete:

says hey, Goku, thanks for humiliating my boyfriend. Come

Arete:

on in.

Unknown:

So they head on over to what is the most massive plates

Unknown:

this is definitely a 2000s movie because it's just like, the

Unknown:

these kids are just partying in basically was a mansion, there's

Unknown:

a fountain connected to a pool. And they just have free reign.

ComicChams:

I'm not sure if they were showing alcohol usage.

ComicChams:

That's the only thing I'm not sure about in this film. But as

ComicChams:

they they're just talking is now just chichi and Goku. They're

ComicChams:

talking about the struggles of being different when it's like

ComicChams:

no, you're not. And then it's like they're talking about

ComicChams:

fighting and how great it is. And it was just like we have yet

ComicChams:

to see all actually execute great fighting skill. And also

ComicChams:

about key, which I mean, I guess we saw. I'm also confused as to

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why he knows so much about key and yet it's just like hardly

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ever explain. And does she even use

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key in his movie?

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No, that's my main issue. Because it's like, she

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talks about key like, it's like literally the thing that she

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uses everyday like she pours a cup of water. She's using key to

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do it. Yes, she never uses it once in the movie. She never

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shows that her family is using it at any point during the

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movie. She just says I know what it is. And I was like, okay,

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cool. I know what a solar eclipse is. But I don't have the

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power to wield it. So it's like, I don't understand why the

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dialog is forcing us to just have it be that Goku and chichi

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have to bond over fighting here like Yes, that sounds very

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similar to what was happening in Dragon Ball. Like they bonded

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over the two of them being able to fight against each other. But

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the way that has been done here, it just seems like chichi is

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talking about things, and is trying away trying to explain it

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to Goku. And Goku is not I don't know, it just feels like the

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conversation about isn't authentic enough to be that this

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should be the thing that they bond over where I wish there was

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just like, Hey, did you watch I didn't realize you were a

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fighter? Did you do like watching fights and tournaments

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and all that? Oh, did you check out this one? I feel like the

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connection should have been more. So this is the things I

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gravitate towards. Not something that has ancestral connection

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that somehow may also influence the fate of the world.

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Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's, it just is not there's really no

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payoff to this. Also, there's a parent at the party. I just have

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them. Oh, yeah, there's a parent there. I want what the parent

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doesn't do anything. Why is a parent there? It's not a

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reference to anything like

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I think it's just a show like hey, this is Rich

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people. And I was like, after like a giant mansion because

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I've done

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yeah, I think we got the hint. So elsewhere, Piccolo

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pulls up to grandpa. Go Hans house because yes, so that pause

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is because this doesn't make sense. So piccolo has some

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innate ability to sense Dragon Balls, which we can accept. He

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doesn't in we can accept it for this movie does for the movie we

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can. Knowing that he can touch the Dragon Balls. Why would he

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go to grandpa go Hans house? Because Goku had the Dragon

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Ball. So why did he go to the house? It doesn't make any

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sense.

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I feel like the essence would have been stronger

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since Goku has been traveling with it the entire day. Versus

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like the last time it was there was literally almost at this

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point eight hours ago, like, it can't be that the energy is that

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strong as you couldn't sense it had traveled. Yeah,

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that doesn't really make sense for a mystical being

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that's supposed to be on top of his game. But anyway, he goes to

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the house, he defeats Gohan pretty easily and then uses the

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Force to crush the house. Goku senses it and runs home. And

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while he's saving Grandpa, I also realized this is the first

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time in the movie, when he's lifting debris that he's shown

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to have super strength, it's not actually clear that he has super

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strength until this point, which is really bad. It's really bad.

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Because if you're going to do a reveal, like this have super

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strength than it should be at a really good moment. You're doing

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it for like, like a Hancock. Like when a certain character

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reveals they have super strength in Hancock, great. But here,

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it's like it's too late. It's too late. Now.

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Also, I just want to say this is basically the entire

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setup of every Spider Man film we've ever seen. Even the sense

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of the super strength reveal, like it was done way better day

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like so as I was watching this film I was thinking back to

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especially during the fight that he had with, with Fuller and the

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bullies that were keep coming after him. I was like, this is

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basically a version of Tobey Maguire, Spider Man, one he's

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facing off against Flash Thompson in battle against the

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lockers. And in that we see the sense of the super strength, the

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the extra abilities there, like you said, it's done in a way

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where it's not only a surprise to the viewer, but it's a

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surprise to the person enacting the act. So when it's like, oh,

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he just lifts off this thing is that, and this is just saying

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that, like he just has super strength. It's not the case of

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just like, you know, like, the mother who sees her baby in

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trouble has like, extreme adrenaline. This is a clear case

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that he's not like other people. And I feel like that would have

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been a better starting place to incorporate that as you saying,

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into the intro of his character versus I'm not like other people

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because I live out in the desert. And I train with my

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grandpa, which honestly, I feel like is the story for a lot of

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parents when a lot of our parents back when they were

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living in different countries outside of America, or is this

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like, this is this is our stories, but this is not how we

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wanted it to be told. Yeah,

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it's a pretty, pretty normal backstory. So go hands

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dead. Great. And now he's saying make sure you go to see Master

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Roshi. He'll know what to do. So Goku buries his grandpa and said

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I'm doing that. Then he goes back to his house asleep and

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said I'm going to see Roshi. And then Boomer, comes in with the

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using her dragon radar shows up to get the Dragon Ball and she

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gets into a quick tussle with Goku. Almost they almost have

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this one to almost good, but she doesn't shoot them and you know

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an original she shoots him. He shakes it off. That's how they

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meet. But here nope. Nope. She doesn't shoot him. She just

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threatens him. Is he strong enough to take it? We don't

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know. Because they don't. We don't. It's not established in

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this movie. How durable he is. So and I also ironically, bomo

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breaking into Google's house, it really should be the other way

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around. Nobody should be breaking into Bowman's house. So

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Bowman reveals that she added Dragon Ball in Star Labs where

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she works. And they were trying to make infinite energy. I don't

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it's not clear that this world even needs that. I think they're

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doing just fine. So now she wants to help Goku find the

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Dragon Balls so she can make infinite energy for the world.

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That's that's her arc. And so they go do that they go and they

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just go find Master Roshi right after this. i There's nothing

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really significant happened. They just go find them.

ComicChams:

Yeah, it's basically immediate. There's a little gag

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in which we do they do try to tap into some of the typical

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Goku character like arcs or things where it's just like he's

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eating the giant turkey leg, which I feel like in the last

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couple movies that we've seen, like turkey legs or just been

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just been a bad side. Like I don't understand. Why are we

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eating too turkey legs just out in the he's just eaten out in

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the street. On the bike. He's questioning why Bulma can't find

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Master Roshi questions like, Hey, did you look up master in

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the in the white pages and everything. It's there for five

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seconds. And then they eventually find Master Roshi as

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they walk up to a house that it's like I don't really know

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how to describe it because this one is nothing like the common

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house at all. But what they do is this basically, it's like

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pure nice great setup futuristic land all around him. And this

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somehow he just lives on a random piece of rock hanging on

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for dear life and a chasm.

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Yeah, maybe it's like he didn't refuse to give into

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gentrification, so they just know, dug around him. Maybe he's

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the hero of the story. But they find him and grow up and go who

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because he broke into his house. They get into a brief tussle.

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And again, it's it's okay, but it's also you have Chow Yun Fat

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here. So the choreography should be insane here

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should have been Yeah, um,

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but it's just overabundance on slomo. And then

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they do a weird thing where Roshi moves his hands real fast

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and Goku can't keep up. It's a not not a great fighting. So I'm

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in the house. They explain everything, bro. She doesn't

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know where the Dragon Ball is. And it's a shame nobody there

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has a device that can find Dragon Balls. Exactly. So go

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whose senses it? And at this point, bro, she's like, Hey, you

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know what, Goku? I think you could use a little training

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actually. Because he does. So he's like, Hey, we're gonna

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we're gonna we're gonna teach you how to master your energy.

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Your your master the elements because airbending he mentioned

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airbending

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he does mention the airbending and this was when as

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I was watching it, I was just like, now there's a greater show

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and move will not move in. Regular television series set of

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them that have used airbending more effectively in this film

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will refer to the

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two years of I've had the roughest two years Avatara ever

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had been mentioned in Dragon Ball evolution and then the 2010

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movie. No, we're not covering it. Anyway. So

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yeah, that's me. Sorry. That's immediate cap.

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We're not Yeah, no.

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No, there's no reason to do it. So yeah, now they're at

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the they're at they go to a training camp. Chichi just

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happens to be there. Don't worry about it. And then they fall

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into a hole.

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Yeah, we get a little quick montage of them running

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Goku is like doing handstands on the car, and he's running with

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all their packages, and then there's just a whole. Um, we see

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we get introduced now to this to Yamcha. Who he's like, hey, I

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can help you guys out for a small fee. And Bulma. She's

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like, how I don't understand how this whole could have gotten

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here. Goku and Roshi are just like, I mean, clearly he dug the

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hole in order to get us down here for some kind of

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compensation. And he's like, Alright, cool. I'm gonna leave

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y'all down there until the sun comes out. But so that so that

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you guys could all just burn up and whatnot. And now it's

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moonlight. Which should normally in Dragon Ball telling should be

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the scariest point for, for Goku. But that's not this milk.

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Oh, I

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didn't have a tail. So

ComicChams:

you fairpoint this. So this entire time they're

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like, this is when Ballmer pulls up with for I don't even think

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they call it a Dragon Ball. I think they call it a DBE or

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something something

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else. Yeah, that's catchy. It's like no, it isn't

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actually no.

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And she finds out that there's somehow a dragon

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ball in the same cavern that they're in right now. Roshi

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immediately jumps out the whole and I was like, why did you not

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do that in the first place? He's like, we no longer have time for

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your games. How about though I make you an offer? You can't

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refuse by giving You a third of all the earnings of what we

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ended up doing with this Dragon Ball. There's a quick little

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joke about how Ballmer was upset about this but Yoshi is just

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like well, they're a third and nothing is still nothing. So he

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takes the writ they find the Dragon Ball but in order to do

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to get to the dragon ball this is when they go to the lake of

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fire right?

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Yes, yeah.

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They have to crawl they somehow get on with

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supposed to be I'm assuming the center of the earth and survive

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even when piccolo King Piccolo uses his blood to create on

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scene monsters beings in the CGI is so bad that you actually

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can't even see the monsters that attack them.

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Like the creatures from Power Rangers, Turbo you know,

Arete:

that's

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what I was thinking.

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But yeah, so Goku solos this whole entire mission he uses

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when the most grotesque thing I've ever seen. He uses the

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ripped apart bodies of the monsters that were attacking

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them, throws them into the lake of lava to create a bridge so he

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can run over and pick up the dragon ball that is just place

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conveniently well placed to on like a rock pillar.

Arete:

Yep, my shows up briefly in the center of the earth to

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try to steal the Dragon Ball. She doesn't succeed she has to

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run away. Um, but at this point, Goku gets a vision from the

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Dragon Balls. Sure that he a giant ape is going to kill all

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of his friends. So he's a little apprehensive about that.

Arete:

Meanwhile, Roshi those to his master Ernie Hudson, to learn

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the MA foo bar, which she knows about but doesn't know how to do

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apparently. And we have Chi Chi briefly competing in the all

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Valley tournament, all Valley karate tournament. And then the

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CompTIA and BOMA have a romantic scene. If it sounds like bullet

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points, it is these are just the events in the movie. There's no

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coherence, there's no tight time and together in any progression.

Arete:

These are the events of the movie, as presented to us. Now.

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It's time to learn to command me.

ComicChams:

So we head back to a place where the group is staying

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for the night. And this is part of go who's training

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specifically the air bending part. We learned that the

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Kamehameha wave is their strongest force against King

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Piccolo. And I was just like, so what about the mafia boss. And

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this is when Roshi explains that it is a collection of energy

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that will then be shot out as an explosive wave. And I mean,

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that's just the spirit bombed in my opinion. But but for the sake

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of this movie, Roshi does the move. It is nothing like you

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have ever seen in any Dragon Ball production. Because we and

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I'm going to try to explain this as best as I can, because I had

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to, I had to mimic it because I was just like, I've never been

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able to do the command on my heart. When I was younger, maybe

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I was just doing it wrong. Maybe this movie is the one that got

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it accurately, right. You take your wrist, put them up in the

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air, connect them, then you roll them towards you so that they're

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out. Then you stretch out your left hand, bring your other hand

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across your body, thumb up some up thumbs, some up is important,

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okay, and down your arm to your chest. You then repeat the same

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motion on the other side. And once you have done that, bring

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your hands up in the air curl put them around your head and

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use that to bring forward the energy by breathing out

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yesI by this point in the battle, you'd already be dead.

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So you probably would have made it this step like one and a half

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maybe after your opponent stops being confused at what the hell

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you're doing. Yeah, I don't know, the part of the appeal of

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the call may have may have is that it's a simple technique.

Arete:

You know, it's kind of Like, Captain America shield Iron

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Man's repulsors Spider Man's web shooters? Yep, press a thing a

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thing happens. That's kind of what the command may have.

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There's some build up times sometimes but the form is very

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simple. It overcomplicating, like this makes it impractical,

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absolutely impractical to use in a battle and there's already a

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dragon ball technique that does that so there's no need to be

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too I'm just want to quickly

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say I did try it in person I just tried it again

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now. Both times it did not work. So unfortunately, this is just

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my quest continues to

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master they're bending to me. So I'm, Goku is instructed

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to use a command how may have master is key to light some

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torches. He tries to cheat, which is the probably the most

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offensive thing the movie could have done the Goku the idea that

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he would cheat at a physical challenge is ludicrous. It's

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just ludicrous, though who does not cheat at all. So at some

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point he sneaks in and tells him go who ever taught you like you

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get to take a step towards me. And with the promise of a kiss

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apparently. And so Goku in wanting to hook up with Chi Chi

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so badly masters that come may have may have to hook up with

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Chi Chi um,

ComicChams:

this whole thing like I have seen I just seen

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this before I have actually seen this work. Actually, no, I've

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seen the fail many many times. Because this is the same exact

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plot point is Billy Madison. And it didn't work for hot teacher

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but it did work for the other guy that did try to get with

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that film.

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But yeah, it's it's bad. I feel like it as you're saying this is

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a bad way to put Goku this is like he's cheating. He believes

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that the only way that he can master an art is through to be

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frank horniness. Hmm um, so it's a lot it's a lot has happened

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two years ago.

Arete:

And while he's distracted my sneaks in while dress

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disguises Shuchi because earlier in the all Valley she sold

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cheese blood and my is able to shape shift with the blood into

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Chi Chi so actually about that I guess I'm better in My Hero

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Academia

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Don't worry. Oh, yes.

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Oh my god stolen a retro actively stolen from the future.

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So the two cheese ash as the he tries to escape ends up fighting

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the real chichi Goku shows up. And what could have been funny,

Arete:

because Gokusen was me an idiot. And like, you know, it's a thing

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you've seen in a million movies and TV shows about? I'm the real

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one and the real one. So this could have been really funny.

Arete:

But it's not Goku just knocks out his whole pool girlfriend,

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and then gets shot with a regular gun. And he's almost

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killed. No, that would No, it would not kill him. And if

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you're telling me in this movie, that he's too, he's too fragile.

Arete:

To handle a gun blast. I want to remind us that in the next

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scene, he's gonna go head to head with Piccolo who could

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crush a house with his bare hands without any effort. So I'm

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a little skeptical that a regular gun could bring him to

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the edge of death. Speaking which Roshi uses a command Ha ha

Arete:

ha. Yeah. To to heal him. And at the range he did that which is

Arete:

on his chest. It should have killed him. Yes. And there are

Arete:

there's again, sorry if you have Dragonball Z fan. But there is a

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mechanic and Dragonball Z, a small beam a sensory beam you

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feed to a person they heal. This would not be complicated to

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explain on spring. Roshi can be like, Oh, I happen to have one

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in my pocket. My mom's gave me one two minutes ago. I would

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have been fine with that. A healing machine there's those in

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Dragonball universe, but a come may have may have meant the

Arete:

ultimate weapon when to kill piccolo in this movie. You're

Arete:

using it to heal. No, you don't get to have it both ways. No

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movie, go to jail.

ComicChams:

Oh my gosh. So So while Goku was dead for a

ComicChams:

minute, he does see his grandfather go on again. He's

ComicChams:

like, so happy to see You his grandfather's like, it's not

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your time sends him back. But he does share. So it's like, things

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are happening faster than they should. So he needs to get it

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together. Meanwhile, Goku is just like Alright, now that I'm

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back, we need to stop piccolo once and for all, because my was

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able to steal every single dragon ball that was in their

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possession meaning now that piccolo has all the Dragon

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Balls. Another thing that happened that I mean is so

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quickly done that it just honestly, I'm surprised I forgot

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about it. Go whose standard gi thing that the iconic gi that he

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wears. He does open it up. He sees it he has it from his

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grandfather. In an earlier scene. Am I 90% sure that the

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logo was fake though it was something was off about the

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logo. It was which is like this

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so now that piccolo has arrived at the dragon temple, because

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everybody knows this is where you go to for the Dragon Balls

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to be to be placed so that you can say the thing is summon

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Shenron he arrives everybody jumps into the fight. They do

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get the car gets a little bit hit and go cool. So this would

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be a great time to change in the back of a Prius into my super

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suit. Which isn't really a super suit. And in fact, if you really

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look at the movement that he has with it I feel like it probably

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would have slowed him down so much.

Arete:

Yeah, and it doesn't really do anything because it

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even within the lore of the movie. We've never seen him wear

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this right you don't we had several established it's his

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grandfather's symbol, or any symbol for that matter. And go

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who never acknowledges that? Pick a little killed Gohan huh?

Arete:

It never comes up. So it's not like I wore this for my grandpa

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I'm here for revenge. No, no, they're he's doing this for no

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reason. So now as they got to stop piccolo um, I remember I

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forget what order this happens. But the scary Roshi tries a

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mouthful, but it fails he dies All right moving on. Um,

ComicChams:

actually, no, no, no, I'm Roshi tries them off who

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ba but dies, because it changes into old Saru and kills Roshi

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writes right the way you explained it is the accurate way

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that it should have been done. I appreciate the fact that was a

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grain to your memory that that was your default.

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i The crazy thing is I watched his movie like a day

Arete:

ago, and I don't remember I have notes and I I must have been

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blacking out constantly. Speaking of blacking out

Arete:

constantly. Goku the eclipse happens. You know not like the

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eclipse that happened earlier this month. But don't I hope you

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didn't turn into a great ape because that's what happens with

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Goku turns into a great ape. How did piccolo know that Goku would

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be here 1000s of years 1000s

ComicChams:

I'm out somehow he's been plotting all this time when

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he was just magically released and they never told us how he

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was released. I mean, I feel like he was only released like a

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couple of days ago to be honest.

Arete:

Yeah, a lot. I guess he did is

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not giving no we're not we're not giving him any

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leeway on not doing it. Um

Arete:

so Goku is in giant aid form he kills Roshi as as

Arete:

mentioned he he menaces Yamcha a little bit I to be honest I

Arete:

don't know even want no I'm just here. I know it's for the money.

Arete:

But he he wouldn't know he wouldn't be here

ComicChams:

like he at least you have more motivation than that

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lash back

Arete:

that's that's really not saying that much um yeah, so go

Arete:

who's doing the grade eight thing and then he just remembers

Arete:

that he's human and he stops That's That's it. He's not a

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gradient anymore. So

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this was a very bad looking great AP looks like he

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looks like a like in from underworld.

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It does does have that energy. These things are

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supposed to be massive. They're supposed to be calm.

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Essentially, that's why they can destroy planets. It's not the

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size of like a slightly bigger monkey. Um, and yeah, normally

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you got to cut off their tail, which again is something that

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can easily been incorporated. But it wasn't. So now that he's

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back to normal and it's time for a spinal fight with Piccolo.

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It's as exciting as we sound. Ah, so

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yes, there's a little back and forth is much

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quicker than actually any Dragonball Z episodes to be

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honest. Um, so, as Goku says, like, I have already figured out

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that I am one I am Mozart, I am Goku. He says I'm going to use

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these two personalities because I have to team up and take down

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you Piccolo and piccolos like you won't stand a chance. So as

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the to battle it out, they're like exchanging blows. Very few

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of them. They exchange and key blast very few of them. And are

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actually I'm not can't to call them key blasts, I'm gonna call

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them key throws, because again, they just look like balls of

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wind being thrown at each other. We see now that Goku is about to

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die. And he's like, I gotta channel all of my anger from my

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friends dying, which was technically as well. And all of

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my love for my friends, which is weird. You just met them not too

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long ago. So he's like, I kind of pull off the command mail

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wave, which he does, he does he does he charges it up. Picking

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piccolos able to bring up his key blasts and as they send them

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flying towards each other. Another thing gets sent flying

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tourists King Piccolo and that is Goku with both arms extended,

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breaks the laws of physics. And it's traveled with his command

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omega wave up into the sky to give piccolo the most

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devastating headbutt to the chest.

Arete:

So, I want to try to give this movie a little grace. Okay,

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a little a little grace. When Goku faces King Piccolo, and the

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traditional story, he at this point the battle is both his

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legs and one of his arms is broken. And picking because like

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you can't do anything, I'm going to kill you. So Goku says I have

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one hand left. And in one of the most epic moments in the series,

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he shoots a command may high into the ground, propelling him

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forward and launching him through the body of King Piccolo

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killing King Piccolo on contact. I see that that's what they were

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trying to do. However, they break the laws of physics to

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have a wave of energy propel you forward

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no

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doubt just if he turned his hands towards the ground it

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would have been fine what why didn't anybody make it this gave

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a shit why

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you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure

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this out. Just looking at it you could tell that is all given the

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fact that the entire time that they explain it, it's one is

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treated as air bending. So if I put air in front of me I should

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be unaffected by said air. However if I put air behind me

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get your minds out the gutter whoever's listening fart joke

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but if I put air behind me I should be able to move myself

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forward so yes, like this was a weird take on the move. It was

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also a weird take that basically all that ends up happening is

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that pink King Piccolo basically just gets knocked out. And as

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everybody is recovering my was also taken out. I think she was

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shot in the back by Yamcha at one point.

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Yeah. Guys, guys.

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This is when they all crowd around the lifeless

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body of Roshi. And I think Jamar Ballmer was like, Man, I wish we

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could do something here. And it's like, oh, wish and this is

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when we get the most cringe worthy summoning. Oh Shenron

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I've seen fun fact about this. I think that Christmas or

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Christopher Saba, who is typically the voice of fajita

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was supposed to be on The voice of, of Shenron I believe in this

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film. And they

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Yeah, I honestly, I don't think any. If anyone had seen

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this beforehand, I think they would have respected that would

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have been like a actually. You can take the check back. I'm

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dead like, I don't want to do this.

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Yeah, so I'm sure Ron brings Roshi back to life.

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surprising that in typical Dragon Ball fashion, they just

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wish for everybody to come back to life like grandpa Gohan.

Arete:

And

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I mean also that whole entire village that

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piccolo kind of destroyed

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my village.

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So now they're celebrating Bulma does see

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though, like in typical Dragon Ball fashion that all the Dragon

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Balls of scattered Roshi comes back, he's like very upset that

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he was drawn back from heaven. Mainly because grandpa Gohan

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told him that he has to go back to Earth because he has much

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more to teach Goku. And we don't see any of that training.

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Because we see that Goku has decided to just join into a

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fight where he meets up with Chi Chi, apologizes for kicking her

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in the face and knocking her unconscious when he didn't know

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if it was Chi Chi or Mei. And the two of them just enter into

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a sparring match, ending the movie with just one little

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credit scene.

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Live little, because this post credit scene was

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approximately 17 hours. In this post credit scene, we see a

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woman walk in at real time with a cup of tea to an unknown

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person, and they slowly turn around. And the unknown person

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is revealed to be Piccolo. No. That's all I'm gonna say about

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that. No, that's the end of the we've made it. We I think we've

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made it pretty obvious that none of this is accurate. I think

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we've made it pretty clear the way they remix elements about

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the only thing that's accurate, I think. Is that the seven

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Dragonballs Sherman Shenlong I think that's the only thing they

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got, right? Yeah, I don't think they got anything else right.

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I mean, we got to tell you a little bit about the

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original. So in today's manga knowledge, I'm not gonna go over

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the whole entire history of Dragonball from like the actual

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book and writings and chapters that Akira Toriyama has put

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together. But I'm gonna give more of a less for what was

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happening in the anime. Some things do differ, but it's not

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too drastic of a difference. Honestly, it actually some of

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the anime actually added a bit more context to certain things

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which showed more things. Just starting off, let's level set

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with Dragon Ball first being inspired by the 16th century

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Chinese novel Journey to the West. And this also combined

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some elements of like Hong Hong Kong martial arts films. So this

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whole entire story of Dragon Ball deck territory I'm gonna

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put together is basically a retelling almost a love letter

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to the story of the Monkey King. In fact, a lot of the attributes

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of the Monkey King the comical take on him the use of the stick

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that we I don't think it's ever actually shown.

Arete:

No, it isn't. He uses the sword. Sword. Ah, what this is.

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So yeah, a lot of it is inspired by the Monkey King

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storytelling. The series was created in 1984. So this now is

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celebrating its 40 year anniversary. And the initial

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manga of Dragon Ball was written and illustrated and was

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serialized in a Weekly Shonen Jump from 1984 to 95. With just

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under about 200 individual chapters, and since then, it has

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grown and doubled that number in expanded storytelling and sequel

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series as we travel along and learn about Goku and his grow

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from child to man, understanding the ways of the world, but

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always making sure that you know, everybody could get it

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because his hands are easy for everyone. Mm hmm. In the

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original Dragon Ball series, I'm assuming that this movie tried

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to adapt. And it's a weird fusion. This is like the fusion

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dance where they just basically their their fingers just like

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kind of touched on top of each other versus connecting quite in

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the middle as you're not really supposed to. Between the first

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saga arc of Dragon Ball which is the Emperor pilaf arc and then

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the penultimate, eighth saga arc of Dragon Ball to King Piccolo

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art. So in the first one, this is chapters one through 23

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episodes one through 13 For people like ourselves who are

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growing up watching this. This serves as a lot of the

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introduction to our characters today. But obviously there were

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some very, very drastic changes that were taken. In the original

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story. As you mentioned, Goku never went to school. He was

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trained by his grandpa when he was younger, he was found by his

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grandpa. None of the stronger connection to zaru and all this,

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but he did notice that he did have a tail. That was the big

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thing about Goku like we are first introduced to him peeing,

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fully naked into a pond. And this is the thing that shows

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that like Goku isn't who we thought, is it just a normal

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child. But we did learn from his grandfather that he told him to

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never look at a full moon and never really told Goku why No,

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that's a full moon. Not a solar eclipse not supposed to look at

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that one either. But Full Moon comes up more regularly. His

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grandfather died before and this whole thing about his

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grandfather dying this happen a long time before any of the

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events as compared to the movie here. It's not just a his

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grandfather died. He meets Ballmer the very next day, Goku

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was like surviving on his own for quite some time. And it's

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treating the Dragon Ball that he's in possession of as his

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grandfather because it's what his grandfather wore on his head

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as a hat part of like a hat when he was first trained by him and

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when Ballmer comes around this is when she starts introducing

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the idea of like, trying to find dragon balls because they're

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like, a sense of energy and whatnot. They could grant you

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wishes was her wishes to find a hot boyfriend. Um, and I can see

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why he probably took that one now.

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Yeah, it's it's funny, because you know, they try to

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give her a legitimate reason to look for the Dragon Balls

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infinite energy. But again, with with the no one seems to be

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suffering from not having infinite energy. So it doesn't

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work. We can tell it you least in the manga, Bulma is suffering

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from not having a boyfriend. We get it. She's thirsty. She has a

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problem that needs to be solved, but here it's not not apparent

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at all, ya know.

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And speaking of that, thirstiness we do know

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that BOMA tries to entice Goku into giving her the Dragon Ball

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by saying I'll give you a peek of my underwear. I think it was

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Dragon Ball was a little sexual yell. So we're gonna pass by

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that. We also meet up with Bianca, who's not necessarily

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treated as much as the con artist that we saw here. One of

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the biggest differences is that he does have the help of

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anthropomorphic shapeshifting cat which I'm kind of shocked

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that no one thought about incorporating since they have so

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much use of CGI in this film, which would have been way better

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to include versus the fake demons that King Piccolo had

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which looked nothing like stuff on the show. Um, there is also a

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love interest between the two of them. Obviously they live

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happily ever after. No I'm joking. She ends up getting with

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Vegito Master Roshi was a bit more of a perv in the in the

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original story thing was here. I think they they did intend it

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with like him having what I'm assuming was like their version

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of a Sports Illustrated magazine. But I did find it

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weird when it's so weird for me to say this. I found it. Unlike

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him when he caught Ballmer as they fell into the into the

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hole. And he immediately dropped her because he was just like,

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Oh, no bad touch. And I was like, what?

Arete:

Yeah, another problem. bomas age has never established

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in this movie. Yeah. In the original. She's 1618. Roughly.

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Goku is about 10. But yeah, we don't actually know how old she

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is at all in this movie. So the great that Meszaros she is

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learning to respect women, but he also hits on her very

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briefly. I don't know how old she is. Yeah, hopefully 18 Um,

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but yeah, that's a good point. They only Goku has

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an actual heat in this film. But um, yeah, yeah. Um, but

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ultimately, the first saga does end with them facing off against

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Emperor pilaf, who actually not really facing off against

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Emperor pilaf because Emperor pilaf traps them. And this is

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like, Hey, we're going to have the sun kill y'all. But

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actually, what ends up happening is that night is a full moon and

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this is when our group here of Yamato, BOMA and the others that

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they have picked up along the way. See Goku transform into the

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Great Ape for the first time and they realized that the only way

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that they can save him was by one by cutting off his tail. So

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when Goku reverts back to his normal self, this is when the

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group deduce that it was probably Goku, who accidentally

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killed his own grandfather. And out of respect for his

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friendship and not trying to torment this child, they were

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like, we're not going to tell him the truth, which is the

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first arc of Dragon Ball which makes sense. Totally makes

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sense. Like the transformations all that kind of stuff. It's so

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wild and out there, but it makes sense. In between, we get some

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more stuff like we get introduced to go because best

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friend Crillon, Goku takes on an army the Red Ribbon army.

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There's also some level of like Cobra cry that comes out of it

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because Goku joins in in a tournament as well. He joins in

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several tournaments throughout the throughout this arc this

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show. He faces off against a disguise version of Master

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Roshi. He also faces off against a master Oh, she's like rival in

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a sense, who also has his own students. So we get through

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Cobra Kai storytelling where he needs TN and Chinatsu. But

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again, they become friends in the end. And then after this arc

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is when we get the King Piccolo arc which is basically chapters

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135 and 161. Episodes 1021 22 that took place 1987 to 98. This

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is here when we get the full introduction to Piccolo. Not the

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one that we love the African American who has raised go on.

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So in this Yes, Greatfather and D.

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This saga starts off with like right after that

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tournament where Goku has fought against tn. They're celebrating

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there and they're just grabbing some dinner to eat, but Goku

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realizes that he forgot his staff over at the tournament. So

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Crillon, being the good friend was to say, Hey, I'm gonna go

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grab it. I'm gonna be right back, don't worry. But the

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entire time Goku is a little bit nervous. Like he's on edge. It's

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like, why is it taking Crillon so long? So when he went when he

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goes to investigate, he comes up to the stage and finds Crillon

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dead on the floor.

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This is when we learned that King Piccolo is the

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person responsible for this. He was released by Emperor pilaf,

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who, although is not in the movie, Emperor pilaf has

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associates, one of which named my who is our character in the

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film today. And I can see what they were trying to do with

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introducing this connection of how Emperor pilaf was the one

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that released Piccolo, but they never explicitly said that my

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was the one that released him. I'm assuming that was the case.

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That also I also don't understand why is it that she

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was the one that ended up being teamed up with Piccolo? It's

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really weird in this,

Arete:

she has no incentive to do this. Right?

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There's there's no to be here. Like, are you from

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another planet? Do you want it? It would have honestly been more

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of a shocker if she was bizarre.

Arete:

Yeah, that would have been cool or you know, made some

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kind of sense. But she just there originally, like they just

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say peel off. He just wants to like an island to rule. You

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know, it's a reciprocal relationship. And here it's

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nothing just evilness of our heart I guess.

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Oh, and speaking of wishes, I'm not only to speak

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little ones like world domination, all that but most

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importantly, his wish for the Dragon Balls is to have a

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younger body. I think I appreciate this a lot. It's

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actually a joke that I don't know if it's a joke, but I do

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think it does come up a couple more times in the future where

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in future storytelling with almost like she wants to Dragon

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Balls to make herself look. Five minutes, some like five minutes

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or so five months younger. So very subtle

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beauty changes that she made. She just abuses the Dragon

Arete:

Ball for her beauty treatments.

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So piccolo wants it to be younger so that he can

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continue on his battle. We do get the sense of like, we do get

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a story that piccolo did face off against Master Roshi, his

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teacher and master was Master Roshi. His teacher was the one

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that did evil containment way for the mafia boss has called

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to bring to trap Piccolo and I believe in the I

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believe was in the rice cooker. Was that the first time or the

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second?

Arete:

Yes, so they it was a nice jar the first time the

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second time they had access to a rice cooker. Yeah, and because

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that one that story was well structured on the way to the

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battle. The rice cooker is damage and the mafia Bob becomes

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impossible to pull off because there's a crack and the rice

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cooker. You know, it's a caution if that happens to your real

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rice cooker fix it. So that's when Roshi can no longer pull it

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off successfully.

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So Roshi He does end up sacrificing his life

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unfortunately in this effort since people are being killed

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left and right, Goku does get some training. There's an

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introduction of of the Senzu Bean which again should have

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been brought up in this film and easily done. Um, but during this

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time Goku sigh I've been training hard enough I'm ready

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to take on Piccolo. And he does as we mentioned in the original

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ending of this arc of Dragon Ball, Goku ends up in this fight

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with King Piccolo. It leads to him getting his both his legs

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and an arm broken. So Goku uses his last arm to propel himself

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using a command Romeo wave because he's just like in in a

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way that in terms of character development storytelling, he has

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a reason to kill King Piccolo King Piccolo has killed every

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single one of his friends and loved ones. Versus the guy who

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killed his grandfather and his grandfather is never discussed

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again. At King Piccolo in the film is never taken accountable

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for that crime. And it ends with Goku instead of giving a

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headbutt to Piccolo, he actually shoots himself through the

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entire body of King Piccolo. And for a quick explanation about

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this. Picking Piccolo is the evil essence of the Meccan

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guardian of the Earth, Kami. Kami, in order to take on this

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role had to expel all this evil essence. And this is what turned

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they became the embodiment of King Piccolo. And they can

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regenerate. We saw it in the we never saw it in the film. I

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don't know why they never even tried to experiment with that.

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But in the original story, he can regenerate. But because Goku

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took out organs This is why he can't regenerate and the fact

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that he does kill King Piccolo, but not before King piccolos

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shoots out an egg. I know that sounds weird, but like bear with

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us. It does work in this world. He shoots out an egg from his

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body. And this egg contains his child which will now be piccolo

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Jr. Which will then end up being the villain in the final arc of

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Dragon Ball and eventually become the African American that

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we know and love once again to take care of gold Goku Son Gohan

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Piccolo is black we're gonna say it out loud for the crowd

Arete:

Yeah, they these these the black is character and

Arete:

Dragon Ball. Yeah, there are no other ones there

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are no other ones at all.

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Um, yeah, that's how basically the Dragon Ball King

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Piccolo saga does and everybody gets wished back alive.

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Including one side little story about this little the father of

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this little indigenous boy

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it's it's kind of wild just watch it is it has

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some connection to the sense of beans. So if you if you have

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seen Dragonball as its yet, I mean, if you're watching a bunch

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of anime already, because honestly is taking over a lot of

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our spaces. And we're all enjoying the stories that are

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being told from it. So if you haven't checked out Dragon Ball

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already do so I'm pretty sure that you have somebody out there

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has like a older brother or sister sibling cuts anything

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they are, they have definitely watched Dragon Ball. There's so

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many ways in which like, I feel like Dragon Ball has like, taken

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over and really got brought into our culture, especially for

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bipoc individuals. I feel like we use the word brolic in

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association with broden. That's my own personal belief.

Arete:

No, it's 100% True. We definitely said that. And I have

Arete:

no other explanation. But yeah,

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that's the full on story of Dragon Ball, at least

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the story that they were trying to tell in this film that just

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didn't quite have the proper fusion. This is where we got fat

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Gotenks I'm assuming?

Arete:

Yeah, just a mess. Just a mess on all accounts. Um,

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normally, this is where I could pull on some behind the scenes

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insights about what went wrong here. Not much, except Hollywood

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just being dumb. Just originally in the 90s Jackie Chan wanted to

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play Goku, and he was down for it. But he also believed that no

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budget existed that could probably do a justice. And

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Jackie Chan knows this stuff. Once funny, a century got the

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live action rights to make it. They tried to make it with

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Stephen Chow of conquerable hustle fame, the director. And

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he ultimately was like, I'm just gonna produce. I'm not gonna

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direct this. They offered Robert Rodriguez and Zack Snyder. Oh,

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God, the Dragon Ball opportunities And they both

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passed. The writer wrote a draft that was deemed too expensive.

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So six more drafts of the script were written. And we got what we

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got a lot on the movie was shot in an abandoned jeans factory.

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I just I

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love that fact about this. And last but certainly not

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least, Akira Toriyama offered numerous times during the

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process to help iron elements out to streamline to help in any

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way, he did caution them that the path they were going on was

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so far away from Dragon Ball, but they did not heed his

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advice. So you got what you got? We get where we get and we can

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get upset because it barely resembles anything. Dragon Ball.

Arete:

So with all that in mind, this is going to be a nail biter. Is

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this a caper? Caffrey this

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thing got more of a cat than piccolo has during the

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the intro to the to the Future Trunks Android. Yeah, this is I

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was really, you know, I was kind of hoping for this one. I mean,

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I know that has always been considered one of the worst

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films to be ever produced of all time. But again, like all these

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movies that we're going through for caper capital, hoping that

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maybe there is some kind of diamond in this rough exterior

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of this film. Fortunately, it just couldn't find one here. And

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I'm not just coming at it as saying that like it was totally

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inaccurate to what it was like a lot of my claims, word of the

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inaccuracy compared to what is the original storytelling, but

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it just feels like a lot of the storytelling just didn't work

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out here. Even if you just change the characters or had a

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different kind of mindset. The main issues that saw with the

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film were like, character utilization like chichi,

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honestly, as you're hearing chichi explain her story. She

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basically has the same thing as Goku. But she doesn't. They

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don't provide any of the context for her. So and she basically

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disappears about halfway through the film. Once she gets knocked

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out. We never really see her again. And granted, she's not

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supposed to be for the final fight. But then it's like, she

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pops up randomly throughout the film, and it almost feels it's

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like, are y'all following chichi? Or does she just

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happened to be gravitating towards these moments like, it

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doesn't get properly explained. The other thing too, is like the

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bullied Fuller and his boys like, it feels like they were

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just introduced to fight Goku so that they can show us that Goku

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can fight. Which honestly, was already explained when you're

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showing him doing all these kinds of trainings. Like he

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could have stumbled he could have fallen. But at the end of

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the day, he has the knowledge in his back of his mind to be like,

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hey, I can I can still at least throw a punch really? Well. If

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that was the case, that's it. Like you didn't need to include

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Goku trying to fight off against these guys. And then because

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like basically when he fights against his grandfather, it's a

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great enough fight. That's just like he doesn't technically

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lose, but he just loses because he was tricked. And for his

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battle of Master Roshi. Yeah, it's like significantly done

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better honestly better than his fight with Fuller and his guys,

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because at the end of it, we actually do see that Goku is

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showing off a full extent of his full capabilities we see high

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increased speed increased strength, the ability to use key

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wind gust, even though he uses it on Bama instead of actually

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hitting his target, which is another characterization of Goku

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I did not like because Goku tends to always try to make sure

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to fight when not too many people are around, or even when

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anybody's around to always try to move the fight to an area

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where there's the least amount of like structural damage. So,

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um, so yeah, I think there's just like, it feels like a lot

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of characters were introduced for the sake of name or to try

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to pull some story along but just doesn't work. The other

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thing I had an issue with was the special effects. I'm kind of

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glad you brought up Zack Snyder because it was like, there's so

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many random uses of slomo which I'm starting to realize I'm

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starting to hate because everybody uses slomo to show a

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character doing something cool, where it's like you could easily

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take that money and put it into something better. Because like

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the other thing that just the thing that like I brought it up

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with like Tobey Maguire Spider Man One dodging the flash just

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punch. That's a slow mo shot, but you're seeing him

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recognizing his increased speed in that moment versus Goku does

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a flip to dodge to people trying to hit him with crowbars,

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whereas like we could have easily just kept that at normal

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speed and just shown the impact of the hit and save some money,

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put it into creating some more characters. And the last thing

ComicChams:

that's just really upset me was the storytelling. I feel like we

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had no motivation for piccolo to be on this like, I'm going to

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destroy Earth and there it's explained so much more explains

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who frees them explains why he's doing this. Here's just like, He

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came to earth and just wanting to destroy things with his with

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his with Fusaro. And the two of them are doing terrible things.

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And that's just it. As you're watching this film, honestly, I

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was thinking about this. Like, they basically want this to give

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wanting to give the great Sandman arc story and give it to

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Goku. But it just doesn't work. When you think about how those

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two characters are just so different. Goku was Gohan.

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Chichi is Fidel, like, even like, the whole entire story is

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just trying to get us to feel like Goku is exactly like Gohan.

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And that's never been the case we've just been talking about

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through the stories. It's like there's they're different in

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their own ways. In fact, Gohan supposed to be stronger. So I

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really wish that what they would have done is just tell us a

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Gohan story if they really wanted to give us these

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elements, because that's what of what would have made more sense,

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especially if you're like, coming right off of the height

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of Dragonball Z. These are the things that people are going to

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recognize No, I mean, people want to see Goku fight. But

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like, you could have just put the great Sandman arc in the

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film at a point where like superhero movies are being

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pooped out left and right. And we would have been totally okay

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with that. But yeah, I guess I do have to end on one positive

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note about this film. I mean, supposed to, it's my I had to I

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had to include it because I felt bad about going but so much on

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this hair and makeup of Piccolo is so great. I'm surprised I

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didn't realize it was James Marsters who was playing this

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man all these years. So

Arete:

I want to ask her could have been a Suicide Squad, you

Arete:

know?

ComicChams:

But what about you cape or calf? Calf?

Arete:

I mean, come on. I mean, this is I you know, going into

Arete:

this, I tried to look at it. What if this is just a movie?

Arete:

What if this is not an adaptation of one of the most

Arete:

famous anime fiction stories of all time? Even taking the legacy

Arete:

of Dragon Ball away, this movie fails at everything it tries.

Arete:

None of the characters are really that likable. Chi Chi is

Arete:

just there. As a function to plot BOMA is just there as a

Arete:

plot. Yantra is a joke, but he doesn't really have anything

Arete:

else going on with him. All the characters feel paper thin. It's

Arete:

a movie about fighting. But there are no good fight scenes

Arete:

in this movie. Just there's nothing like you. We can say a

Arete:

lot of stuff. But Dark Phoenix had some really impressive

Arete:

action scenes. Before that Suicide Squad. There was some

Arete:

fun fight choreography, especially with Harley Quinn. So

Arete:

it just the fact that we can get one good fight out of this movie

Arete:

is crazy. In a series. It's about fighting. It's about

Arete:

fighting guys. You could have taken panel from panel and just

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recreated any one of the fights from Dragon Ball and I would

Arete:

have said Okay, great. But the fighting is terrible. Plot is

Arete:

incoherent. There's no fixes. There's no band aids you can put

Arete:

on this. This movie is this version of the script. Dead on

Arete:

arrival. I don't know what happened in between those six

Arete:

drafts. I imagine it must have been hell to keep going back and

Arete:

back. But there were two they tried to do too much. And also

Arete:

not enough. It just chichi should not have been here at

Arete:

all. Just to make room and give enough characters. Enough time

Arete:

for the characters to really flush out. More BOMA were Roshi

Arete:

more Yantra more Gohan if you're going to Uncle Ben him. Yeah,

Arete:

there's really nothing about this movie I liked. I can't even

Arete:

recommend it as a joke. It. It just is not good. Just not good.

Arete:

And I am sorry. I'm sorry. On behalf of everyone. Yeah, I'm

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sorry. This one, not the worst thing we've seen on this on this

Arete:

particular podcast. But certainly, if I were ranking the

Arete:

movies we've seen so far. This would be not below the bar but

Arete:

this would be in hell

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yeah, it's a it's a shame. But the good things about

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this is that since this movie has come out many of the people

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who are involved have apologized especially as of most recent

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apology came from star who played Goku, who upon the death

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of Akira Toriyama did put out a post and Justin Chatwin stated

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that he's very appreciative of what Akira Toriyama has put

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together it has created has honestly created a story that

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for generations, this is just in captured us. And we love so

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much. And actually, and then followed up with an apology for

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what he did to his work. So I do appreciate the fact that the

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people who are involved are recognizing that they did do a

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little bit of hurt here. And I'm hoping that this is just a sign

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that like, and I think it was, I think it really truly was

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because I think that we're only four years into 2020, the 2020s.

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But since then, I feel like we've been getting some great

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adaptations of anime storytelling in the more on the

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west side. Especially when it's less like this is worlds these

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are worlds being created almost nonstop.

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And people are loving them. So it's good to see

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that when mistakes are happening. People are apologize

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for apologizing for it. And knowing that like there are

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opportunities to continue making sure that there isn't another

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Dragon Ball evolution, there isn't another Avatar The Last

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Airbender from mi Similan, or how the how the propelled him in

ComicChams:

that movie, I was, like, all I

Arete:

know, again, we're not doing it.

ComicChams:

So when you hear about these movies that are now

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getting opportunities to still hopefully be forgotten, by time,

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you know, still have it that they're continuing on with

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greater stories, greater things like Dragon Ball still going on.

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There's still some stories that they're wrapping up or putting

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together and there's still going to be movie shows that you can

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always look back on and watch all of this stuff, to relive it

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from your younger ages to share it with a friend sharing it with

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the next generation, you know, is the point where I was just

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like we have big threes and everything. And that's always

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going to be a story that helped changed the world of like, the

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kind of media that we're going to be absorbing in the future.

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So thank you, Akira Toriyama, for everything that you have

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done, to create the stories that we all know and love and

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creating these characters that we just connect with and

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sometimes even try to channel in our everyday lives.

Arete:

Yeah, and I'm glad that this movie did not dampen the

Arete:

enthusiasm for the series spirit and when Akira returned to IT

Arete:

people were so willing to embrace it, put the past behind

Arete:

and go on. So you know we definitely Oh, Dragon Ball a

Arete:

lot. We definitely risk all respect to care. Toriyama may

Arete:

someone never need to see your work again.

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All right, with that we're gonna wrap up our episode.

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Join us next week for the last episode within our bonus season

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of caper cap as we cover something that has honestly have

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been asked of us for quite some time. You've heard our disdain

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about this film. We're jumping right back into the animated

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front. With Batman ninja.

Arete:

Let's go.

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Check us out on our socials for updates on our episodes as you

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platforms. Take care of yourselves and remember that if

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you're gonna get into a fight at high school, um, don't I guess

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really the most important thing is don't let it be against a guy

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that has a Camaro and like 40 other dudes just randomly pop

ComicChams:

up. I just don't fight in high school. How about that?

Arete:

Yeah, and if you fall into a hole in the middle of the

Arete:

desert, ask your friends if you can get out of the hole or

Arete:

before you did like, starve or burn to death. I don't know if

Arete:

you need sunscreen but your friend needs to get you out of

Arete:

that hole. Yeah, sure

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Thanks again for listening. If you liked what you

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Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast
Fun deep dives and honest takes on superhero productions from two Black Nerds breaking down what’s worth your time ('cape') and what you can skip ('cap')
Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast is the perfect place for dissecting superhero shows, movies, and their source material comics from a Black nerd's perspective.

Join Chamar "ComicChams" Griffith and Andrew "Arete" Tejada as they delve into the stories, behind-the-scenes work, and comic origins of these productions. They provide a final review to let you know which ones are worth a watch and have earned their 'cape', and which ones have crash-landed and earned a 'cap'. Expect reviews, lightning rounds, and plenty of nerdy banter in every episode. Available wherever you get your podcasts.
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A Blerd from birth, Chamar is just a kid from Brooklyn who has always loved epic tales, art, and animation. Given that superheroes and cartoons have all three, he dived into this colorful world.

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