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1st Apr 2024

Suicide Squad (2016)

Chamar and Andrew are back with yet another bonus episode as we start the "Cape or Cap" season with Suicide Squad. As always, we are here to ask the big questions: Does the story make sense? How does it compare to its comic adaptation? What was happening behind the scenes? Is it a good addition to the universe? And most importantly, did the film earn its CAPE or was the hype around it all CAP?

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00:00 Intro

09:08 Movie Recap

01:08:15 Behind the Scenes

01:17:06 "Cape or Cap" Decision

01:28:26 Comic Knowledge

01:33:19 The Ending Reminder

Transcript
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This straight up negotiate the Lori Loughlin do

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before seen.

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And yet who who went to jail for longer exam that's

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because he killed people guys. We're not comparing to to get a

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lot of people

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Hi I'm chamar Griffith codenamed Comic Sans.

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And I'm Andrew Tejada. Codename Arete. This season

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we're looking at the worst superhero movies ever and seeing

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if they're fun or straight up dumb on

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Cape or kept a bonus season of yet another DC

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animated podcast

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Welcome to our bonus season of yet another DC

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animated podcast that we're calling cake or cat. This is

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where we take the worst superhero movies imaginable, and

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see if they're fun, or just crap. My name is chamar Griffith

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codename Comic Sans and I am Andrew Tejada. Codename Arete

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Andrew and I've known each other since 1996. That was the year

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the Nutty Professor won best makeup and hairstyling at the

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Academy Awards. Yes, it was.

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Oh, man. Wow, this like there's so many monumental

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films that have won that award, including those we're talking

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about today. Oh, fun fact, this is I tend to do a an Oscar party

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with some friends. And this was the movie to help me win that

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year.

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Because I guessed right. And they beat out movies. I think it

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was like, I don't remember what else was there. But it was like

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creatures were literally being created. But none of them got

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the makeup award because that title went to DCE. US Suicide

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Squad.

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Indeed, I cannot believe that 20 years after any

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professor Exactly.

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We seem to know the professor that is monumental

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work in error makeup on this one man play 15 characters.

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Yes. And to answer your question, Suicide Squad beat out

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a man called obey and Star Trek Beyond

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Star Trek Beyond. That's what it was. Aliens. But

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Harlequin get into shades of mascara was one.

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That was also back when only three movies could be

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nominated for Best Makeup. I don't know why. But that's how

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it was.

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Well, and if you're wondering why we're talking

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about a live action film? Well, as

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we mentioned, this is our bonus season. Here we are calling cape

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or cap. In honor of the multiverse and the crisis event

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that's currently happening in the DC animated films. We

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decided to take a look at other films across the multiverse that

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left us anticipating the impending doom of their

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universes. Yes,

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I don't know that the DCU was in rough shape at the time.

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It was having some growing pains. And yeah, those growing

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pains stayed at state for a while. But

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this was filmed number three. So

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this was already a strikeout, possibly. So at the end of our

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episode here, we will determine if the film has truly earned

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escape in the universe, or was the hype all around the app,

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because again, it films like Suicide Squad, we were excited

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to see the catalyst that was popping up new reimagined

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versions of all the characters. So when you hear just all these

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stories of who's involved and what we're gonna see, and

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especially this larger connection to larger universes,

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again, we were really, really rooting for this universe back

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in the day.

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And a disclaimer right at the start, we are not going to

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be here to just bash DC trust me, other superhero universes

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are gonna get a piece of this, and we'll tell you when soon.

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But right now, we got to dive into this 2016 She said

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yes, because at the runtime of 122 minutes this film

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was directed by David Ayer his name his I think it's finally

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off a Twitter now I believe that released the Erica is finally

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moving down on the list of hashtags. But you are no David

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Ayer because he was the director behind productions like bright

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starring Will Smith, the recent film beekeeper starring Jason

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Statham,

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also and the watch Star and Jake Gyllenhaal and Michael Pena

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what a resume

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a resume indeed that continues on because he also

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wrote films including this one, such as training day, Swat and

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the first Fast and Furious film.

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Thank you. Thank you for your service, sir.

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Yes, that is an impressive resume. I think I've

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already watched all those at least like once a month.

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Alright, so hopping on to our cast list. We have a very star

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studded cast today, a lot of these people were either new to

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the scene of the superhero storytelling, or just like had

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already made names for themselves outside throughout

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generations starts as Will Smith who was playing Floyd Lawton,

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aka Deadshot. Following up after him, we got Jared Leto as the

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Joker who you know many people know him as the frontman for

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32nd Mars of the film's also but this was when everyone was

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shocked to hear that Jared Leto had entered the acting world and

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that will continue on as Morbius

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Oh, we'll get there trust us. If you let us we'll get

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there.

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Margot Robbie plays Dr. Harleen Quinzel Okay, Harley

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Quinn bringing the character for the first time on the bigger

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screen notice I didn't say the screen in general its character

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has been in live action and animation for quite some time.

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Joel Kinnaman is Colonel Rick Flagg. And we got Jake Courtney

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is Digger Harkness aka Captain Boomerang. J Hernandez is chato

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Santana aka El Diablo. I like how they call them like the

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entire film. They call them Diablo but he's actually

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credited as El Diablo and it was just like, yo, where's where's

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my English lessons are failing me now but like where's the

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definitive article on his?

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It's bold to assume that anyone in the production really

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thought about the Spanish when they were making this

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next guy either Lolly a Keanu a Agha Hey, we

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have him playing Waylon Jones aka Killer Croc. Cara Delphine

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is Dr. June moon, aka Enchantress, and we have a bunch

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of supporting cast members such as Ike Barinholtz as Captain

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Hunter Griggs of Belle Reve, Adam beaches, Christopher Weiss,

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aka Slipknot, who is in it for a very short period of time and

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like after one scene I'm pretty sure everybody when we got David

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Harbor, who is government official Dexter Tolliver This

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was before he became became the red Guardian was it and Hellboy

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the beginning people

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where are we listening so many other movies that'd be a

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candidate for this podcast

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Jim PeriK is from True Blood you know him from

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True Blood but today he's playing one of those jokers had

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henchmen. I didn't catch his name. I don't think they even

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said his name.

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henchy I'm gonna call him entry. Yes,

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nice little call back to common is a character

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playing monster T in the movie. But DC actually gave this

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character of better backstory in another show that they produced

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care to guess which one Andrew?

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I'm gonna guess Harley Quinn

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actually, I'm gonna have to check back to see if he

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was in there. But no, you will remember him as Lala in black

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lightning.

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Oh tattoo, man. He's a tattoo man. Wow, did they fumble

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that bag

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Next up, we got Scott Eastwood was playing

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soccer at GQ Edwards. It's really weird that your name is

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GQ. I need to know what the Q stands for. We got some cameo

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appearances from Ben Affleck as Batman as remittal as the flash

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the fastest criminal alive.

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And finally rounding out our main cast. We have Viola Davis

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bringing Amanda Waller and what I think is the best live

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adaptation of this character.

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Yeah, no shade to the actresses who portrayed

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portrayed her on arrow. You are great and unfortunately killed

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off for this movie. That is sorry, you are great.

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All right. So with that, we're going to get

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ourselves ready to boom to move over to the beginning of 2016

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Suicide Squad. Boy oh

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boy, do you like character introductions? Because

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that's all you get for 19 minutes. I counted.

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i I said, I was like I remember the movie starting with a bunch

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of character introductions. And I wanted to see how far and how

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ridiculous this goes. We are introduced to characters for 12

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minutes straight in that time. We have seven, seven character

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intros. We understand that you might get a little confused

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because the movie actually starts with it by introducing

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Deadshot and Harley Quinn in the cells being said Drag to black

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sell security guard brutality. Then we're going like, hey,

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Superman's dead. Amanda Waller saying, hey, Superman's dead

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smash cut to the credits. And then we get 12 minutes of

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intros. So the editing here is it's interesting, interesting. I

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will say that I did. One of my favorite moments about this is

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not even about the movie itself. It was about the experience. And

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when I first saw this film,

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in the theater, movie starts, Amanda Waller is

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like, nine months ago, Superman flew across the sky. And then

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and then one day, he didn't any longer because Superman was

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killed. And I want to shout out this one parent that probably

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brought their like five year old child to come and see this.

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Why? I don't know. But hey, do what you need to do. The

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child then yells out, hold up, they killed Superman. And that

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set the entire tone for the film for the rest of the night.

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Island. If someone didn't, wasn't taking a CBS. But so, the

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setup of this movie is that Amanda Waller is at dinner. The

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first scene with Harley Quinn and Deadshot actually doesn't

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matter, because nothing actually happens in that. So the first

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scene is when we truly is Amanda Waller is at dinner with two

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with two government guys. And she's trying to convince one

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that they need to start a suicide squad of criminals. And

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she goes and pulls out seven files of criminals. We don't

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need to go down into each detail of each of them. Because we

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don't be the ones who gets favored though. It's who was

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favored for our film 100%. So I mean, I think the big ones are

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Deadshot and Harley, so I'll go dive into Deadshot. his

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backstory is he is a assassin that often haggles for price

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during the while he's on the job.

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And after one job, he is walking on a shoot with his daughter who

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does not have custody of for really good reasons. And Batman

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jumps him because for some reason Deadshot decided to walk

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down a dark alley and Gotham with his daughter.

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Okay, it's like this, like you were calling for

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Batman. Honestly,

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I think he wanted this to happen. Deadshot tries to kill

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Batman, but his daughter stands in between him and Batman. And

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the funny thing about this scene when you really look at it

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Deadshot asked his daughter to get out of the way. So Deadshot

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is ready and willing to kill Batman in front of his daughter.

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Even though minutes before he was like, Who told your mom said

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I kill people for a living? What do you mean? Well, I mean, maybe

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this is why your daughter thinks you kill people for a living. I

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maybe.

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So I love the fact that she like stands in front of

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him. And granted, he's kneeling in the film. So is this like the

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angles might be off? But like, if he actually moved the gun,

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like maybe a centimeter higher?

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He actually wasn't made the shot. Yeah. That's like, what

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was the What were you telling him? Because like, I feel like

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as Deadshot he would have thought about that. Just like

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Oh, moves up gun takes out Batman runs Gotham. I feel like

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it's a very simple formula. Yeah.

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And if you're wondering when this happened, we don't

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know.

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Christmas. Like he's buying her gifts. And this seems

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to be snowing. Which is like, I don't know what state does that

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anymore around Christmas anymore.

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dystopian. Yeah. So when does this what time of year is

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it? When does it take place for the rest of the events of the

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film? Doesn't matter? Because now here's Harlequin.

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Yeah, we get introduced to Harley through the

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full on origin story of hers. She's the psychiatrist coming in

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to deal with a bunch of Arkham inmates, she gets a task to try

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and help the Joker. But as we know from her story, she gets

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swayed. He ends up asking her because now that she's so

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enamored by him, he ends up asking her for a machine gun.

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And somehow Harley is able to bring in a machine gun, which we

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don't see the process. We don't see the process at all of how

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she brought the machine gun in. But also we also don't see the

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process of like, he also gets all of his like, gang this like

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50 people who just storm Arkham and they take her captive

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leading to Whoo. Now Joker creating this, like giving her I

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guess, was a shock therapy to turn her wild in a way. And I'm

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just like, This just doesn't seem like the natural trend like

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much moment of events again get to when you just ask for a

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machine gun? Because like, how did you get 50 people to rope

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up?

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Right? It would have made so much more sense if he asked

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her to open the door. Yeah. Because if if he just needed his

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gank with the machine guns, I think they they knew where he

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was they could have done it at any time. So I think yeah, it

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would have made more sense for him to be like, can you give me

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the code and also it makes Harley look better, because he's

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just like, oh, opening the door. You know, that's not bad. No

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one's gonna get hurt. That would have been kind of interesting to

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explore. But

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point this one thing out that that is exactly how we

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went down on prison breaks boiler. And that is the exact

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story from prison. So and then worked there. It literally

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worked well.

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Sorry, you had about 15 years.

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So we then learn that Harley gets swayed and

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turns into a heart doctor quintel turns into Harley Quinn,

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the Joker's new favorite partner in crime. And we see now that

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this is where we get a sense of this movie is supposed to be

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taking place in modern times, I guess, because Joker is a crime

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boss, I guess in some way. Harley is dancing out on stage.

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And someone's coming into me him monster T calm this character.

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And he's looking at Harley. He's like yo, Hardy looks good. Joker

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calls Harley over and they start toying with him. To the point

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where it's just like, it's very awkward because Ethan Commons is

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like, Yo, that's I didn't want no beef with Joker keeps

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repeating to him. And then Joker ends up just shooting him in the

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head. And my entire question about this whole scene was that

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why do do create a joker where it wasn't always just on site

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for Batman. I feel like Joker be in a club. Just relaxing,

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chilling, grabbing some drinks popping bottles with his boys

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and it's people. That is not a joker that actually should exist

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in Gotham because I feel like as accurate as we saw Batman was

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and BVs Batman should just never let Joker sleep. This joker

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should be on the run 24/7 He should not be able to relax.

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Also all the people in the club. Why were they there? If they

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knew Joker was there? Yeah,

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they try to make Joker into kind of a penguin like

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figure who runs a business and it's kind of like he's doing

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shady stuff, obviously, but you can't get him for anything. You

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know, that's but it's like, no, this is a joker. If he's

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breathing, he's committing a crime.

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So all that leads to I guess Joker escaping Batman's

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and following after him. And this is where we see that Joker

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does abandoned Harley here. And lets Harley crash into the river

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where she tries to attack Batman on the water Batman like Shark

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punches her and this is where we see that this is how Harley was

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taken into custody.

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Right so now that that's established, we get to get a

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montage of more introductions featuring actual lines such as

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boomerang robbed every bank in Australia. I'm sure Australia

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has more than 10 banks. So how is that possible? Diablo The

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pyrokinetic homeboy. I didn't net it that Killer Croc chased

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out of Gotham by the bat. Questions about that, but she

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saves the best for last. And she reveals that while archaeologist

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Jun Moon was out on a trip, she was in a Amazonian club or

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something outside and a dancing Enchantress came up to her and

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danced inside of her body. And Enchantress permanently

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possesses Jun moon so, in order to counter this, Amanda Waller

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assigns Rick Flagg her best Colonel to hopefully fall in

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love with June moon and for June moon to fall in love with him.

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So that she has a mean for controlling the Enchantress. How

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did Amanda Waller know that was gonna work

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it's like she's probably just like looking

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through his entire hinge profiles. I don't even know if

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hinge was a thing back then. She's like, What is he swiping

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right on? It's just like, oh, they look like Zhu Mu is that

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was that the process? I don't know. Because that none of this

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makes sense.

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This Right none of it making sense. The one government

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guy that isn't David Harbor that we were saying this because

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names are not important in this movie except for

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like five minutes

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so after this dinner meeting, they go to a another

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meeting where they once again have to pitch the Suicide Squad

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again to another group of people. Which makes you think

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why wasn't this just one scene? And David harbor leads with Hey,

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you know what a Superman decided to tear the roof off the White

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House. What will we do? This is why we should have a Suicide

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Squad. Here. Here's a question I'd like to point out. Could

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this team defeat Superman? No, sorry. Let me make it easier.

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How long would this team was Suicide Squad team last against

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Superman? Just just man is still Superman. How long?

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Well, I'll probably give it to Enchantress. Like

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because I feel like Superman is a weak against just like

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basically the simplest magic trick. But like, at the same

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time, I feel like she if he could you could just run up and

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just real quick, right?

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Because remember, guys, this

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is June mood.

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Exactly before she even does anything. And this is a

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superman who a movie later takes on the entire Justice League.

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When he's not even in his right mind. He just woke up from a

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long nap. And he takes them all on unconsciously Ultra instinct.

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So a Superman that can think against the Suicide Squad. I

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don't know what you think is going to happen. Except

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over by Krypton. Get ready to learn some Kryptonian language.

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This is a suicide squad after all. But yeah, during this

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meeting, we get probably my favorite visual of the movie

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where Amanda Waller asked him to do and Moon to change into

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Enchantress, and Enchantress. His hand comes under June's and

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it flips and then it becomes Enchantress. And honestly,

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really slick transition. Wish we could have done a little bit

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more of that. Instead, it changed riscos so conceals

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military secrets from Tehran.

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And then now that Suicide Squad is approved you would assign for

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four character intros.

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Yeah, we hop over to Belle Reve where basically

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Amanda waters gonna go meet every single person that she

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wants on her team. She answers in the room hardly sees her

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first ask if she's the devil keeps on walking. And as she's

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like questioning people about like, Hey, we're signing you up

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for this. My favorite interactions about these were

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when she

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went to El Diablos little uh, he's like in this like, I don't

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know it's like this like canister that I guess they did

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because flooded with water in case he gets too hot. And she's

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like showing him a video of when he burned down the entire yard

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of like when he was in prison and killed everybody. She was

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like, he's like, y'all. Nah, man. It's not me. She's like,

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Oh, this ain't you? This ain't you right here. You burden that

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everybody This Ain't you? It is it's I think it's those moments

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that made the movie better for me. Because it's immediately

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followed up also, with them meeting test shot, contest shot

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basically being put in front of the entire table filled with

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guns. One the guards Ike bare Hills character Griggs, he's

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been like antagonizing that shot for so long. So that shot pulls

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the gun and pointed at him. Ask people that if he dies, please,

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you know please like take this man out and also delete my

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searches three and when Lot and realizes that the gun is loaded.

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It's now him basically shooting out things. Perfect accuracy,

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perfect targets. Everybody is so impressive. Well, he could do in

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fact, it was so impressive that they had to score. I think it

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was the yeas skinheads album, entire scene.

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But also, the turkeys are all stationary. Isn't that

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impressive?

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Yeah, that was something I was like if you can

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just like keep it steady. Like I've never shot a gun but I

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would assume that if you're stable enough, you can keep it

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in the same target. But it does lead into now will demand it I'm

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calling him well because this was the most Fresh Prince of Bel

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Air scenario I think I've ever seen in my life, where he's

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talking to Flack. He's like, Yo, I want if you want me to be on

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your team, I'm gonna need you to, you know, set up meetings

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for me to meet with my daughter. Get rid of Maya Ex Wife dusty

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old boyfriend or now he was like sure all right Darnell is gone

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he's like make sure that my daughter goes to school I want

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something Ivy League do that thing that I'll be doing to fix

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up people's scores in case she goes down and I was just like

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this man straight up negotiate the Lori Loughlin deal before

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she

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and yeah who who went to jail for a longer exam that's

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because he killed people guys. We're not comparing to to give a

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lot of people flag raises objections to the squad after

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they do all of this. At this point, my question I have

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another question for you. Why did the assembling the Suicide

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Squad right now?

ComicChams:

Exactly. Right. Man is dead. What are we what are we

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fighting against?

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Exactly. And because there is no established right in

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the movie, the movie has to just spontaneously create one. So

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coincidentally, a two separate times. Joker is lying in the

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middle of his knife collection, which also features baby

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clothes. If you look in the corner, which has like nice

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little detail that's not followed up on. So the Joker

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starts a journey to free Harley Quinn from the bell ref prison.

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At the same time, Rick is for some reason eating a drumstick

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at 11pm He's just eating a turkey jump stick while sharing

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a bed with June moon. And that really threw me off the drugs.

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Like a minute I wasn't paying attention to dialogue. It's like

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why is he eating a drink? It's so late

ComicChams:

it was he had the drumstick in one hand and then

ComicChams:

the gun and another man Are you all right?

Arete:

Who's coming for your drumstick bro

ComicChams:

get greasy. I feel like put down and guy.

Arete:

Yeah, I feel like this is dangerous. I feel like we need

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to talk to an expert about can you do both? Should you do? So

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do you think? But in any case, so while he's so distracted, and

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we're so distracted with the drumstick, Enchantress hops out

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of her room to try to steal from Amanda because earlier it's

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established that the reason Enchantress is going along with

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any of this is because the suitcase Amanda has Enchantress,

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his heart, like Davy Jones in a suitcase and she can stab it at

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any time. So Enchantress can't get close to the heart without

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alerting Amanda. So coincidentally, in the next

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room, Enchantress, his brother just happens to be in a statue.

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So Enchantress takes the statue, unleashes it on an honor Brandon

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dude from that was in the security meeting. And tells her

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brother Hey, we were betrayed 1000s of years ago. by humans

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now humans worship machines. So let's build a machine to kill

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everybody. There is nothing more than that. Yeah, that's it.

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That's, that's, that's all the motivation you're gonna get.

ComicChams:

And this leads into now, apparently, everybody going

ComicChams:

crazy, because the same brother he's walking through this

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possessed human being. He pretends to fake like a medical

ComicChams:

condition to get people close to him. And this is where we see

ComicChams:

the extent of his powers where he just basically absorbs other

ComicChams:

people to become bigger. And then he falls into the train

ComicChams:

tracks. And then he absorbs the electricity from the train

ComicChams:

tracks. And then there's this one scene in which it makes Omni

ComicChams:

man very proud where he's just standing very still, as the

ComicChams:

train comes through him.

ComicChams:

There's a lot going on to the point where it's just like, we

ComicChams:

see all this destruction happening. And then it's

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daytime, we find out that Midway City is basically destroyed. So

ComicChams:

this is where the government agency, I'm assuming this is

ComicChams:

August because I think I saw some lettering and some logos

ComicChams:

placed around. They call in that they decided it's time for them

ComicChams:

to sub Suicide Squad. So now we hop back over to daytime.

ComicChams:

Because again, the call for the Suicide Squad was at night, we

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hop back over the daytime where the Suicide Squad gets like

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pulled from their, from their cells. They're strapped to

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chairs. They're being brought over to have the implants put

ComicChams:

into their necks. Everybody's making some commentary about of

ComicChams:

what's happening what's going on. And they get flown over to

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the middle of an evacuation site in Midway City again, and that

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was daytime again. People are being like cardio through to get

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to safe zones, they are dropped off. And then we see more

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members of the Suicide Squad being brought in such as Captain

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Boomerang who gets brought in like a basically a duffel bag.

ComicChams:

And the flag is just like, here is 10 pounds, like 12 pounds of

ComicChams:

shit and the 10 pound bag. And it's like, what's it opens up

ComicChams:

the thing. Boomerang starts punching people realize this out

ComicChams:

numbered. And then we got another character slipped not

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the man who can climb anything through who is casually brought

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out of a car in handcuffs, or at least this restraint. And

ComicChams:

there's a woman there soldier who says like, get in line and

ComicChams:

slipped out just punches her in the face. Like, Dexter. And this

ComicChams:

is when the movie was like, Okay, we're not in our feminist

ComicChams:

bag right now with this. No,

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this movie doesn't doesn't seem to like women very

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much. This is because there's a scene a minute later where

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everyone watches Harley Quinn change all the soldiers and

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evacuees because she gets changed in public, which is a

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scene that's unnecessary from both points of view. I don't

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know why Harley would do this. And I don't know why everyone

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would stop and watch I

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went from this is why I went from day to night I

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think

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so in a weird thing, most Suicide Squad stories take about

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five minutes to establish they get bombs in their necks. And if

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they don't listen to Amanda it explodes they just do it now

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just in the middle of everything else. And this this once they

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find out that they're being sent somewhere very bad to do some

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good quotes from the movie. We get a zoom into Deadshot who

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says a matter of hours on zoom but to have the dead shot to the

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to the Zoom Deadshot says what are we some kind of Suicide

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Squad?

ComicChams:

That's when Peter Griffin stood up as as he did

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the day.

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Peter Griffin was greater than us. Bring him back. So So

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Okay, now the movie looks like it might finally be getting

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started to the Suicide Squad bit. But before we can do that,

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one more character introduction. Katana and Rick Flagg knowing

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that we don't have time for another flashback says this is

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Katana. She's got my back. Her sword traps the souls of its

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victims. Now, after this blistering introduction, you may

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be wondering, why is Katana here?

ComicChams:

Well, we get a flashback about that. But also

ComicChams:

it does not explain how Katana even met them because it's

ComicChams:

basically Katana killing people killing the same people who

ComicChams:

killed her husband which is a comic book origin her history

ComicChams:

offers and she's killing someone that he's like yeah, I wasn't

ComicChams:

even the one that killed him and she was like, but you watched

ComicChams:

and then slices his throat we hop back over to the scene of

ComicChams:

just then meeting Katana on the flight so we have no idea of

ComicChams:

like how Katana got even under Amanda Wallace radar whatsoever

ComicChams:

or why she's aligned with lag Yeah, she's

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not gonna have Obamacare next. So this is voluntary. This

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is why voluntary Yeah,

ComicChams:

this is this is her just basically doing community

ComicChams:

service but the good kind of community.

Arete:

Sure, um, so from here, finally, we get into the Suicide

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Squad out in the world. They're on a helicopter into the city.

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It crashes. Everyone's fine. Don't worry about it.

ComicChams:

This is actually the funny thing about this. This is

ComicChams:

typical Suicide Squad fashion storytelling, but usually at

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least one person dies. So it was weird that everybody survived.

Arete:

Well, you got what you wish for and the next thing

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didn't you?

ComicChams:

Go that's very true, because in that moment,

ComicChams:

Boomerang is just antagonizing Slipknot telling him that like

ComicChams:

yo, I think this is all mind games, conspiracy theories. And

ComicChams:

he says, you know, maybe we should all just try to make our

ComicChams:

escape. And Slipknot agrees so they start beating people up

ComicChams:

some of the soldiers slipped not the man You can climb anything,

ComicChams:

uses a grapple hook to escape bring himself up to the top of

ComicChams:

the building. And as he's like, basically, trying to go from

ComicChams:

building to building rich flag pulls out his anus. It's like a

ComicChams:

giant computer. It's like a smartphone just attached to his

ComicChams:

wrist and presses this logo, the image of slipknot on his screen.

ComicChams:

And we see how mind blowing this technology is that Amanda Waller

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has given to this entire Suicide Squad.

Arete:

Alright, I also have a I have many questions. The

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Slipknot is the man who can climb anything we know that

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everyone knows that right? What was he going to do here? I guess

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a magical witch who can teleport and make zombies? What? What

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was? How was his climbing? gonna help here? Have you ever gotten

ComicChams:

let's not get ahead of ourselves. Like Slipknot

ComicChams:

definitely did it.

ComicChams:

So now that everybody can see what's going on, this is where

ComicChams:

Jeff shots just like one he got upset because earlier in the

ComicChams:

movie, okay, I also want to preface that this is an hour

ComicChams:

into the film, this movie was only two hours. We are already

ComicChams:

at the midway point and we have not actually gotten to anything.

ComicChams:

So this has already been upset with Rick Flagg because in an

ComicChams:

earlier scene he was unimpressed by reflects pep talk, tells him

ComicChams:

that he needs to Washington Phil Jackson triangle, you know. And

ComicChams:

then he's like, all right, because it seems like this truly

ComicChams:

is a suicide mission. He starts talking with foreign leaders.

ComicChams:

It's like, hey, maybe we should orchestrate a plan to finally

ComicChams:

get ourselves out of here. Tell the rest of the crew stay evil.

ComicChams:

And now we get to the big point of the film, I guess where they

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come face to face with these monstrous beings that they

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thought were human. But are actually I don't even know how

ComicChams:

to describe these things. These are like, like just little, like

ComicChams:

clay men, but not clay face. But with many, many maybe with eyes.

ComicChams:

It's very confusing.

Arete:

It reminded me a little bit of the the infected from

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Last of Us with the mushroom fungus heads. Yes. Okay,

ComicChams:

but minus all the mushroom actual looks. It was

ComicChams:

just yesterday that I see that. Yeah. Um, yeah,

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so the zombies attack. And here we get some fight

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scenes all the Suicide Squad members show off their

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abilities. Diablo stands in the back. We get a really confusing

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exchange here during it. Also, I want to mention that the Suicide

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Squad is accompanied by a full month battalion of soldiers. No,

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right? Which makes you question why the soldiers are there if

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they have the Suicide Squad? And also if the Suicide Squad Sir,

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why do you send the soldiers? I thought the point was that you

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send the Suicide Squad to do the stuff you don't want the

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soldiers to do? Why are they all there? Only red flag needs to be

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there. Why Scott Eastwood here, but in the middle of this work

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flag is getting snatched up by the zombies. And Deadshot says

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Harley, let's help Rick because if he dies, we die. A minute

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ago. Were you not planning on killing Rick Flagg?

ComicChams:

Wasn't this accurate? Yeah, and it was like,

ComicChams:

I don't understand, like, how would they know? Like, if was it

ComicChams:

like, some isn't like linked to them? Like, y'all had no escape

ComicChams:

plan? Literally, again, like you're right, a minute ago,

ComicChams:

you're ready to escape. But now it's like, you didn't know how

ComicChams:

you were going to do that. So now you just got to protect Rick

ComicChams:

Flagg. So, motivations are off motivations are clearly off, you

ComicChams:

did not have the best eye on that one that shot. Um, so as

ComicChams:

they take out or at least Deadshot solos the entire army

ComicChams:

that's like trying to kill them. They noticed that the creatures

ComicChams:

tend to have some very, like, just random things on them very

ComicChams:

inexpensive things, including like a $3,000. Watch. I don't

ComicChams:

know why that had to be stressed in the film. But we do see that.

ComicChams:

Again, not knowing what time in place this takes place in but it

ComicChams:

seems as if soldiers were probably set there first. But

ComicChams:

then we're all captured by enchanters because we see in

ComicChams:

where inches is being held up where she has like basically

ComicChams:

operating her machine that does not look like a machine

ComicChams:

whatsoever. It just created magic. In a portal and that was

ComicChams:

it, um, she, every time she kisses a soldier, it turns them

ComicChams:

into one of the members of her Thrall these like, weird beings.

ComicChams:

And we don't get much more of that. Um, it just leads us into

ComicChams:

now they keep on with their mission, which is to which will

ComicChams:

say very quickly I realized at the very beginning that what was

ComicChams:

their mission? It was to find someone that was

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trapped there. Oh, right, right, right, right.

ComicChams:

The same way that you I forgot about that too. And

ComicChams:

then they were like, all right, the person is going to be in

ComicChams:

that building there. Which easter egg It was named after

ComicChams:

the Creator Ostrander. So they're like, you're going to

ComicChams:

we're going to enter the building, we're going to take

ComicChams:

out who's ever in there, save the persons in there. Everybody

ComicChams:

goes back happy to get yours or something off their licenses and

ComicChams:

you're good to go.

Arete:

I'm just realizing that's why they brought slipknot to get

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the get the VIP. That's the only reason he was there. He can do

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it with literally anyone else can with the grappling hook.

ComicChams:

Calling your like basic rock climber, you'll be

ComicChams:

fine.

Arete:

They go into a building that looks you know the

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Australian Building that doesn't really look distinct from any

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other building we've been in, which doesn't really help

Arete:

finding

ComicChams:

is though it looks very CGI to me when I saw I was

ComicChams:

like a fake building that also helps us building untouched in

ComicChams:

like the rubble where it's just like, there's like a fallen

ComicChams:

plane, like two steps away. But this building was completely

ComicChams:

fine.

Arete:

Right and it's infected, but the VIP is unaffected by the

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monsters that are in the building. Anyway, so they find a

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bunch of monsters the action is it happens because the monsters

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is a couple of cool shots. But it also makes also was stuck on

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the fact that Deadshot puts on a plastic masks that seems to

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obscure his vision. And unlike in a future movie, Bloodsport

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his mask can protect him from bullets and is complete you can

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see to the visor not quite sure why Deadshot wants this plastic

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mask that makes it harder on him. Ha anyway in the middle of

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the fight, when they're being overwhelmed by zombies that can

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apparently shoot guns. They can Deadshot pisses off Diablo

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enough so Diablo unleashes fire kills a bunch of zombies. And at

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this point in the middle of apropos of absolutely nothing.

Arete:

We get a flashback from Harlequin.

ComicChams:

Yeah, again, diving into her origin story is a

ComicChams:

moment scored by the musical stylings of Kailani I believe is

ComicChams:

the artist. Fun fact about this film that she didn't mention

ComicChams:

this. This entire film had a whole entire album created for

ComicChams:

it that included the likes of like 21 pilots little way Rick

ComicChams:

Ross, kill on a bunch of other people. So this whole entire

ComicChams:

scene, Harley Quinn is being asked by Joker, will you die for

ComicChams:

me? Or better yet? Will you live for me as she leaps into the vat

ComicChams:

of chemicals from Ace chemicals. Transformer her now to dislike

ComicChams:

her more iconic look, which she was Joker when he knows that

ComicChams:

it's taking her a bit of time to get back up. He leaps in after

ComicChams:

her. They share a kiss. Harley snapped out of this dream state

ComicChams:

by that shot who asked she asked him Have you ever been in love?

ComicChams:

He's like, no. It is a moment that happens in the film as they

ComicChams:

head up to now where the room is and we find out finally, who's

ComicChams:

in this room because as Rick Flagg enters the space, we see

ComicChams:

that it's Amanda Waller.

Arete:

Yeah, so now we finally understand what the movie is.

Arete:

All right, everyone. Everyone buckle in. So Amanda Waller was

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putting together the Suicide Squad. She pissed off and

Arete:

Tantras too much. And Chandra Sen brava started taking over

Arete:

the Midway City while Amanda Waller happened to be there. So

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Amanda Waller orders the Suicide Squad to assemble to extract her

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from Midway City to stop the enchantress that she herself

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unleashed into the world.

ComicChams:

So it looks like Superman was not the thing we

ComicChams:

should be worried about. So, now that everybody knows This Amanda

ComicChams:

Waller, everyone's displeased about this, but Amanda shows

ComicChams:

that she is that one telling everybody that if they tried to

ComicChams:

do anything, she will blow their off their heads. So she tells

ComicChams:

them to lead her out to the evacuation point, which is a

ComicChams:

helicopter, which is conveniently waiting at the on

ComicChams:

top of the building to take her over.

Arete:

Before we go too far. I want to mention Amanda Waller

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kills all her employees. Oh, right. Before they leave the

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building, Rick Flagg is cool with it. He's no objections

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whatsoever to this. Why this is so high security clearance.

Arete:

Because this is so totally inconsistent with his character,

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like he, he later is going to be doing some really nice things.

Arete:

So he just watched people get murdered, for no reason, even

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more than have already been murdered because of his

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girlfriend. I don't understand why he's cool with it. But you

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know, you got to get into the helicopter, which

ComicChams:

is now then taken over by Joker. Because

ComicChams:

throughout the film, we do see that Griggs, who was taken by

ComicChams:

Joker doing at one point earlier in the film, is now working with

ComicChams:

him in terms of like, just making sure that Harvey was able

ComicChams:

to get a cell phone when she was going to be out on this mission,

ComicChams:

meaning that Joker knew about this entire plan. So he takes

ComicChams:

over this helicopter. Also earlier in the scene, Joker was

ComicChams:

able to head to the facility where they create the bombs. Fun

ComicChams:

fact it was a subsidiary of Wayne Enterprises. So as he is

ComicChams:

now like working with this doctor, to cancel out the signal

ComicChams:

to the bomb and Harley's neck, Harley takes this as an

ComicChams:

opportunity to run on over to the helicopter, grab onto the

ComicChams:

rope that's like hanging from it as they try to take off. And we

ComicChams:

got the moment of our film, where it's like, we have to find

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that where allegiances lie because Amanda's pissed. She

ComicChams:

looks over at this shot, and it's just like, hey, you're a

ComicChams:

hired assassin, you're a gun. Shoot hardly right now. And I

ComicChams:

will free you from your imprisonment. So you can see

ComicChams:

your daughter. Of course, he has this moment of regret. And he

ComicChams:

misses on purpose. And this will this is going to make so much

ComicChams:

sense later, near later on. We're going to explain what

ComicChams:

happened to this movie. Why is it like this? And this moment is

ComicChams:

going to make so much sense to you later. Okay, because if that

ComicChams:

makes any sense to me. No, it doesn't. Why does that child

ComicChams:

care if it lives or dies? When his motivation has been escape?

ComicChams:

Get out. Be free. Why would he not kill Harley? We're good.

ComicChams:

You're gonna we'll get to that later.

Arete:

Also find it funny that the shot was not that far away.

Arete:

I think Rick Flagg could have done it. Actually couldn't do

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that. It was

ComicChams:

the only one give me that nonce. Yeah, don't even

ComicChams:

give me that nonsense was like oh, the helicopter would have

ComicChams:

messed with the trajectory of the bullet because of the wind

ComicChams:

pad. No, I feel like the gun could have made it.

Arete:

It's a straight shot. Honestly, like surely after

Arete:

Harley escapes, Amanda Waller orders the chopper to be brought

Arete:

down. Joker goes down with the chopper but Harley escapes

Arete:

immediately after. After that, while it gets on a helicopter it

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is brought down. So I think this movie is telling us don't get on

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any helicopters ever, because that's the third helicopter in

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this movie to be shot down.

ComicChams:

There are other modes of transportation people

ComicChams:

please take that before you take the helicopter here in the DC

ComicChams:

universe. So then, as Amanda Waller's helicopter falls, she's

ComicChams:

taken by the thrall of an enchantress to be brought over

ComicChams:

to where she is currently. This is when flags to say all right,

ComicChams:

well, our bosses down you gotta go together again. So they go to

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the helicopter Deadshot comes across the same binder from the

ComicChams:

beginning of the film that details every single member of

ComicChams:

the team, and he throws it at flag. But somehow, it's like it

ComicChams:

feels like it's only 30 seconds. But somehow he's able to go

ComicChams:

through the entire thing to find out that flag was in this

ComicChams:

relationship with Moon and that apparently he explains in the

ComicChams:

scene. When that Amanda Waller the US government has initially

ComicChams:

sent in the red the US soldiers to first combat what was going

ComicChams:

on because they didn't really know the full extent. So their

ComicChams:

plan was to use a smaller team to go When plant the bomb to

ComicChams:

take out the brother of enchanters, whose name is

ComicChams:

Incubus in the film, they Enchantress was supposed to help

ComicChams:

in some way he asked. So flag asked June to help turn to

ComicChams:

Enchantress to help in this way. And as they get ready to set the

ComicChams:

bomb and turn on in chanters takes the bomb herself. And I

ComicChams:

guess like steals it from it. This was what causes flags yell

ComicChams:

out, she bolted, which was a scene earlier in the film, which

ComicChams:

now provides a bit more context mandus pitch she stabbed in the

ComicChams:

heart. Enchantress goes to her brother who heals her from being

ComicChams:

harmed by the heart again. And now this is when everybody's

ComicChams:

just like, and much like me, I was just like, I need to grab a

ComicChams:

drink, because I don't know what's going on anymore. I'm

ComicChams:

leading into a moment of a cathartic moment amongst the

ComicChams:

Suicide Squad. As we get, I guess, like an hour and a half.

ComicChams:

So 34% of this film is done. And we get another origin story.

ComicChams:

This time from El Diablo.

Arete:

Yeah, so everyone gets a soul the entire team gives up

Arete:

and I have to mention this because Katana gives up to

ComicChams:

Why Why

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aren't you a volunteer just wanting to drink,

ComicChams:

volunteer.

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So we get Diablos backstory, which was he had fire

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powers as a kid. And as he grew, his fire powers grew. And then

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one day he got mad, while his girlfriend was pressing him

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about his illegal activities. And in his rage, he ended up

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burning down the house, and his wife and kids did not survive.

Arete:

Um, this backstory is almost there. I wish here that a

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gangbanger or rival would have come to his house, tried to kill

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his family, he lost control and then killed his family. Because

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as it's currently presented, he had a temper tantrum killed

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everyone. And that's the backstory and everyone's weeping

Arete:

feeling bad for him. And, of course, it's a tragedy, but

Arete:

that's on you, bro. Like, that's 100% on you.

ComicChams:

I mean, all he was writing when she said it own

ComicChams:

that shit. Honestly.

Arete:

I don't, I don't want to own that. So we get some little

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excerpts from the characters. Killer Croc says he's beautiful.

Arete:

On the outside. At one point, flag comes into the bar. He has

Arete:

a dead shot. Did you get to the part where I had sex with the

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witch? And then shot goes, yeah. What's that? Like? These all

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lines in the movie guys. We're not making these up. And here

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it's revealed. Oh, my goodness gracious. Red flag reveals that

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Deadshot starter pricing them every day, which is not I'm not

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practical. No, no one. No one at any era of time would have

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written every day, she would have taken a day off. Secondly,

Arete:

red flags been carrying them around all day. Right? I just

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realized that. When he put Yeah, because I froze the frame also

Arete:

and realize that he's carrying exactly 28 letters. So you say

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she's writing every day? Has he been in prison for 28 days?

Arete:

Exactly. Is this all happening within a month Black History

Arete:

Month?

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The crimes of this. So this act of flag having the letters

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motivates that shots to go and do the mission. Why? What has

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changed? What has changed? I

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guess really is just boomerang. Learning that he's

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free because Rick Flagg destroys the device quickly grabs his

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drink adds on now. So they just lose a squad member. But then

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what everybody's just like, we're gonna go and we're gonna

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go handle this because they're all motivated now, behind

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rallying behind Deadshot who is now the de facto leader it

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seems. He meets back up with them right outside so they don't

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lose anybody. Now, this is when we're just going to speed

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through this because this is the same thing the movie did, where

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they finally get work together to take out Incubus, the

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brother. They make the plan. They're like, let's work back

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alongside with the soldiers. Scott Eastwood is planning to

ComicChams:

head into the water you Navy SEALs set sail to get the bomb

ComicChams:

that was placed there for some reason never really explained

ComicChams:

how the bomb actually got there or how they know it was there,

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right?

Arete:

It fell under water. It's the likelihood of it being in

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the same place as zero.

ComicChams:

So they decide to work together. Boomerang has

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like a camera that he uses that's in his boomerang to see

ComicChams:

what's going on. Killer Croc says when he realizes they have

ComicChams:

to go into waters, it's like nah man's Mahood and just crawls

ComicChams:

like an alligator to get underwater or crocodile.

ComicChams:

I guess it's been brought to them. Yeah. So sorry, I'm

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trying. So now that they have this bomb, because it's like

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some random moment in which they have to fight some of the

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creatures again, Killer Croc takes Tada. He passes it back to

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Scott Eastwood, who brings it to right underneath underwear.

ComicChams:

Where this the Incubus and the whole entire squad is fighting

ComicChams:

it out right now. Diablo he, again, this was another this is

ComicChams:

the issue I have because it was like, his whole thing was that

ComicChams:

like he was trying to control his anger. It's like, all right,

ComicChams:

I can't fight it out. Without it being angry, which is like I

ComicChams:

will I don't get it like he's able to confuse his powers when

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he's not angry. And then Enchantress tries to sway

ComicChams:

everyone by showing them the desires I guess the baby clothes

ComicChams:

things because I hardly stream was that she had a family with

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Joker, which was the craziest looking thing because Joker,

ComicChams:

Jared Leto and average and looks a lot like Chris was named

ComicChams:

Patrick Bateman. And I was like, this is the wrong movie that

ComicChams:

you're in the wrong wrong father figure. But El Diablo is shown

ComicChams:

his family and he's like, Nah, I know what I did. I own it. And

ComicChams:

right now I have my new family. When do we become a family?

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Right?

Arete:

And also real quick. Do you remember Jared Leto wasn't

Arete:

American Psycho? Oh, yeah, he's you're not that far off. I can

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put yep, yep, yep, yep, forgot. Yep.

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Just these are just aspirations of his he was just

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like, I'm gonna get that role in some way, shape or form.

Arete:

But yeah, you're 100% right. When did they become a

Arete:

family? I don't even know why they're all there.

ComicChams:

So now that Diablo he has to fight off against

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Incubus. Peace channel's his future, like his greatest power.

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I'm, I'm gonna make an assumption. So there are several

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times in scenes where they're like showing Diablos firepower

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and what you see this face. I believe that what they were

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trying to do was that Diablos power is connected to the Aztec

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god of fire day, and he should do quickly. So I think that's

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where they were going with it. I feel like we could have at least

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explained some part of that in the film. Because like, there's

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no there's it to me, it would have provided a bit more

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roundness to his character, versus he's just the angry that

ComicChams:

guy that could just shoot fire, honestly.

Arete:

Yeah, I feel like there was a scene in a Constantine

Arete:

movie that gave more context to the god and asked to God than

Arete:

this and it was like a two minute scene. So you don't

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become this god he holds. He holds Incubus in place. At this

Arete:

point, a bunch of sacrifices happen because Diablo sacrifices

Arete:

his life to ensure that the bomb goes off, and that he that

Arete:

Incubus is standing on top of the bomb underneath. Scott

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Eastwood sacrifices himself to set off the bomb. And you're

Arete:

wondering, okay, maybe he needed to set off the bomb. Maybe he

Arete:

was the only one who could. The thing is Killer Croc survives

Arete:

the bombing and the Killer Croc is right underneath the bomb. So

Arete:

you really could have just sent Killer Croc to do it. And Scott

Arete:

Eastwood did not need to die. You're asking you must also be

Arete:

asking. How did they know the bomb was gonna kill Incubus?

Arete:

Right. Well, anyway, the next thing in this movie that

Arete:

happened was

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actually I did have one more. You also must be

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thinking this bomb must have a timer that it can easily reset.

Arete:

Apparently, it's one of those you gotta. You gotta hold

Arete:

them down. arms that are all the rage. So now with Incubus out of

Arete:

the way and chanters decides to actually do something, and she

Arete:

goes into phase two of the boss battle where she can teleport.

Arete:

And let's be honest, if you are a teleporting magical witch and

Arete:

you are facing a human team because there are no meta humans

Arete:

on this, I also want to point that out. Killer Croc maybe

Arete:

counts, but I don't think he's technically a meta human either.

Arete:

I don't know how that works. I'll

ComicChams:

give him the human status but I'll give him like,

ComicChams:

peak human physical conditioning. If anything like

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he's strong, but it's it's like he will have to capture his

ComicChams:

opponent. And you can teleport how you get in captured.

Arete:

Right? And it's also Incubus can take a sore to the

Arete:

hand and get his hand cut off and grow back without a problem.

Arete:

It's never really established. If like, do bullets hurt

Arete:

Enchantress? What did they do anything to her?

Arete:

I mean, I feel like she could probably dodge them. We wish she

Arete:

was like wiggling. Yeah. That's that ultra instinct kicking in.

Arete:

So, um, but somehow they hold her own. She decides to stop

Arete:

fighting all of a sudden and says, you know, you've earned

Arete:

mercy. I'm not sure why they have.

Arete:

And she gives them one last chance to submit. Harley uses

Arete:

this chance to kneel and say hey, if you give me Joker, if

Arete:

you bring back Joker, I will side with you. So she kneels and

Arete:

while she's kneeling, Harley cuts out and Tantras his heart.

Arete:

And then the Rick blag has another bomb. It's another bomb

Arete:

just over here and decide to destroy the magical portable

Arete:

Enchantress is doing because remember, that's the thing. I

Arete:

forgot. I legitimately forgot about it.

ComicChams:

Oh, there was a machine.

Arete:

Whatever the hell she's building, they decided to blow

Arete:

up and they throw the bomb at the portal. And now they have to

Arete:

shoot it. And Deadshot has to take the shot. The emotional

Arete:

apex of this movie I feel is supposed to be Rick Flagg. His

Arete:

girlfriend is June Moon Slash and Tantras doesn't want to hurt

Arete:

her. Why isn't he taking the shot?

ComicChams:

That was my. And I had like, fully made me

ComicChams:

questioning even more because in the in the image of like what's

ComicChams:

happening and as he's taking this shot, partly he's using

ComicChams:

Harley's gun. Harley has a gun that the revolver has in

ComicChams:

different slots, love, hate, love, hate. He when Deadshot

ComicChams:

pulls the trigger, the revolver moves from hate to love,

ComicChams:

implying that he is doing all of this, that in order for his

ComicChams:

daughter to be seen as a great guy. What we're basically

ComicChams:

telling everyone is that love saves all yet, just shot did the

ComicChams:

same thing that he did in the beginning of killing someone

ComicChams:

with a gun. Regardless if it was, or love or money, it is

ComicChams:

still a thing. It is not an emotional moment that we needed

ComicChams:

to see. Nor did we need to see many of these scenes and slo mo

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this is unfortunately like I think the Schneider Schneider

ComicChams:

concept still kind of like ingrained in system allows the

ComicChams:

student needs to be slow mo Deadshot taking the shot showing

ComicChams:

that love prevails all does not make any sense here. And in this

ComicChams:

moment, it also does kind of really work because at that

ComicChams:

moment, when Enchantress has fallen they have possession of

ComicChams:

the heart once again. And freak flag is demanding for it and

ComicChams:

chances to turn back into June Moon chances is like she doesn't

ComicChams:

exist anymore. So he crushes the heart. And instead of it just

ComicChams:

like ending it there thinking that like he had to sacrifice

ComicChams:

June for the cause. June goes back to life. So literally, we

ComicChams:

could have ended this movie without actually taking that

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shot at all and just have him crushed to heart. save ourselves

ComicChams:

like maybe five minutes of film. Oh, yeah. And at this after this

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point, she doesn't come back. And I'm not just talking about

ComicChams:

in the sequel, the reboot sequel. She doesn't come back in

ComicChams:

this movie at all. That's her last scene in the movie. She's

ComicChams:

just gone. The person this movie was about question mark. So now

ComicChams:

that that's done, and there are no stakes, Amanda Waller just

ComicChams:

shows up and says, Hey, you convicts, you're not going

ComicChams:

anywhere. But they are able to negotiate for a few things.

ComicChams:

Killer Croc asked for ve t

Arete:

if you didn't hear that, that was our faces going. For

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real. That's what we're doing.

Arete:

Harley asked for an espresso machine. And Deadshot asked if

Arete:

he can hang out with his daughter which means using new

Arete:

math to explain the trajectory of a gunshot. And you know,

Arete:

that's really hard the new math I don't kill people thought I

Arete:

remember that. Anyway. So as that shot boxes for some reason,

Arete:

I don't know how that helps you be a better shooter. The Joker

Arete:

arrived to hugs the thing. He has a punching bag. Also, Rick

Arete:

feels bad for taking Deadshot and why I don't know. He still

Arete:

committed crimes. A lot of

Arete:

crimes and although a lot of want to change any Joker bus

Arete:

into the jail saves Harley. And that's the last scene of this

Arete:

movie of the movie proper, but they're most credit. Yeah,

ComicChams:

there's a post credit scene where Amanda Waller

ComicChams:

again is meeting with people this time Bruce Lane in a bought

ComicChams:

out restaurant. The two of them are exchanging information. She

ComicChams:

gets all the details, he gives him all the details from the

ComicChams:

binder, which includes additional people, such as like

ComicChams:

Ezra Miller's flash, Jason Momoa, as Aquaman. And it seems

ComicChams:

as if Bruce sustain like, hey, I want to I'm putting the team

ComicChams:

together. I'm trying to get some friends. That's really just it.

ComicChams:

And in that moment, Amanda Waller hints that she knows that

ComicChams:

he that he's Batman by saying you're working too late at

ComicChams:

night. So he says, You need to stop the Suicide Squad before my

ComicChams:

friends put your friends down. And you will expect the Suicide

ComicChams:

Squad Suicide Squad versus Justice League movie, but we

ComicChams:

don't. Because this was basically this is how we knew

ComicChams:

that this universe was ending.

Arete:

And also this was canonically before he met anyone

Arete:

else. So yes. Look friends Batman.

Arete:

There they are people you pass on the street. That is it. So

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that is Suicide Squad. 2016. Now before we get to our cage recap

Arete:

before our determinations of, of what you should do with this

Arete:

movie, is it fun garbage to watch? Is it just too much of a

Arete:

mess? We want to get we want to bring this back. So we're going

Arete:

to explain what happened to this movie. And but before we go get

Arete:

into that

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what is this anything like the comics at all? Is this taken

Arete:

from something? before? Yeah, you're the you're the expert. So

Arete:

please tell me Is this from something? No,

ComicChams:

nothing. Nothing else. I feel like basically,

ComicChams:

this

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is a fresh new story, just including characters from the

ComicChams:

comics. I think the favorite favorite thing that I've like

ComicChams:

come across and like trying to find any details was that this

ComicChams:

movie was heavily inspired by the new 52 Suicide Squad. And

ComicChams:

that's

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true. Like some characters were similar, but none of these

ComicChams:

stories match up. None of these dynamics effects some of these

ComicChams:

create characters are created for the first time here on film.

ComicChams:

Um, so it does seem really out there to be like, you know,

ComicChams:

like, new 52 Suicide Squad was heavily influenced by these

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people because also at that point, um, they were basically

ComicChams:

rebooting the universe in the comics because this is when

ComicChams:

rebirth was coming out in which like, all these comics were

ComicChams:

trying to match up with what we're seeing in the

ComicChams:

characterizations on film. And then even then they changed up

ComicChams:

the character lineup. There was no El Diablo. He had some

ComicChams:

comics, but then he was like, gone. They recruited Zod one

ComicChams:

point for the Suicide Squad.

Arete:

How Oh.

ComicChams:

So there's no proper comic that I will say any of

ComicChams:

these stories are truly pulling from I think this is just a

ComicChams:

very, very self contained story based off of what was happening

ComicChams:

in the Batman, Superman Man of Steel verse that was already

ComicChams:

being created this night or very here so you know points for

ComicChams:

creative liberty, but I have no idea how this how this even

ComicChams:

progressed, honestly.

Arete:

Okay, well, so not comic accurate you say. So, what

Arete:

happened to this movie behind the scenes? Um, so first, some

Arete:

alternate casting. They wanted Tom Hardy to play Rick Flagg.

Arete:

Four years after he played Bane which I think would have

Arete:

confused pretty much everybody

ComicChams:

says the same universe. I'd be like, yo, let's

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kill off characters that might be people that we're gonna be

ComicChams:

bringing up in the movie and other universes, ie Amanda

ComicChams:

Waller in the outro. Parks, right? So don't know. They also

ComicChams:

want to chyle above to be Scott Eastwood's character. But Well,

ComicChams:

David Ayer wanted him the studio said no.

Arete:

Which most studios are doing nowadays, to shine. So the

Arete:

original version of this movie was 20 minutes longer 143

Arete:

minutes. It had no pop songs whatsoever. And it had a very

Arete:

serious tone. So originally in the movie, heart, the third act

Arete:

was completely different. And the third act of this movie

Arete:

Harley would have refused Joker, she would have not she refused

Arete:

to go with Joker would have made a deal with Enchantress to get

Arete:

Harley back. And in the process of making this deal, his

Arete:

helicopter would have fallen he would have had a half burned

Arete:

pace, they would have possessed Katana and Katana would have

Arete:

actually fought against the other members of the Suicide

Arete:

Squad. Diablo would have survived, they would have been

Arete:

no heroic sacrifice for Diablo, he would have just been fine.

ComicChams:

You got to get out of this. This was basically

Arete:

just like, I'm just gonna go chill on my cell now. And

Arete:

also, the big reveal of this movie would have been that

Arete:

Enchantress wasn't just doing this for shits and giggles. She

Arete:

would have been controlled by Steppenwolf. The machine she was

Arete:

building would have been a mother MGS to set up Justice

Arete:

League, and how the humans would have gotten their hands on the

Arete:

mother box that transformed Specter. This would have been

Arete:

it, they would have taken it from Enchantress, and it would

Arete:

have rolled in to the next movie.

ComicChams:

Wow, that actually would have weighed made way more

ComicChams:

sense. Because it was like yeah, why was this? Even looking at

ComicChams:

it? It does look a lot like the design looks a lot like what was

ComicChams:

being set up in like Justice League for like the look of the

ComicChams:

mother box being activated. Wow. Trapped the dang ball.

Arete:

Yeah. Oh, and I promised to explain why Deadshot was so

Arete:

conflicted about killing Harley. Originally, the movie was going

Arete:

to spend a bulk of its time developing a relationship

Arete:

between that shot and Harley that was romantic, they would

Arete:

have fallen in love. So in a staircase when she asks, Have

Arete:

you ever been in love, that would have been a continuation

Arete:

of their storyline of falling in love. Additionally, Joker would

Arete:

have been more abusive in this in David Ayres original film. So

Arete:

Harley would have been getting away from the Joker with

Arete:

Deadshot. And by the end of the movie, they would Deadshot and

Arete:

Harley would start a romantic relationship.

ComicChams:

Wow. And it's not like we have even seen that

ComicChams:

before. Because that's what happens in was an Assault on

ComicChams:

Arkham. So it actually would have made a lot of sense.

ComicChams:

Because it did feel as though the funny thing was like I feel

ComicChams:

like a lot of people just felt like that was like behind the

ComicChams:

scenes actor tension that was going on. But that would have

ComicChams:

made way more sense because not only do we just see like, a lot

ComicChams:

of them together, like a lot of the dialogue together even seems

ComicChams:

kind of like flirting in ways who's just like, stay evil. Like

ComicChams:

why would he be telling her that specifically? And not like a

ComicChams:

bunch anyone else? Anyone else that was in the crowd? Yeah.

ComicChams:

Wow. Yeah. Tang kind of actually want the eye or cut now.

Arete:

Well, it's funny you say that? Because it's not

Arete:

happening. So this is what happened. So the movie was

Arete:

getting ready to be released, but the editor or left the

Arete:

project in the middle of post production. Now, they were left

Arete:

with a movie that had tons of Joker scenes that were cut per

Arete:

time. And it was a serious cut. So they had an audience testing

Arete:

of David Ayres cut at the time. But they also have the company

Arete:

that cut the teaser trailer, which was very successful. They

Arete:

had the the teaser trailer company recut the movie, and

Arete:

they took scenes out of order. Because the original cut was all

Arete:

in chronological order. It did not jump around time, the new

Arete:

cut was all mixed up. It was fun. It was emphasized in jokes.

Arete:

They tested both cuts of the movie. Both of them tested about

Arete:

the same. So their solution was take random scenes from the

Arete:

first cut. Take random scenes from the new cut Frankenstein

Arete:

them together. And that's what this movie is. Two cuts of

Arete:

movies that did not work.

ComicChams:

mash together. Oh my god. No. That's why nothing in

ComicChams:

this movie feels coherent and cohesive, because it probably

ComicChams:

wasn't in the same movie originally. Oh my gosh, that

ComicChams:

makes Wow. Even though it does make because I was like the even

ComicChams:

Washington's like the pacing seems off. The fact that I was

ComicChams:

like picking up on the fact that the daytime to nighttime shift

ComicChams:

was just too drastic. It did feel like separate films. Lo and

ComicChams:

behold, like this is definitely given a little bit of like group

ComicChams:

project. And another example, please don't use all AI to craft

ComicChams:

your work. I know this wasn't technically AI but feel like

ComicChams:

it's ours. Yeah. So that's what happened behind the scenes. So

ComicChams:

now here's the million dollar question after all of this,

ComicChams:

knowing the history, having watched the film again, is it

ComicChams:

cape, fun Cape adventure, despite not being the best film?

ComicChams:

Or is it cap, put this in a hole and throw away the whole? Where

ComicChams:

are you? It was just like what Amanda Waller would say, Oh, I'm

ComicChams:

on the fence. Now I originally was gonna give this a cape.

ComicChams:

Because it is. It's a fun superhero movie, just to keep on

ComicChams:

in the background. Like, I'm not looking for this for context,

ComicChams:

I'm not looking for this for a wonderful acting or anything

ComicChams:

like that. I was just like, this is a perfect like, if it happens

ComicChams:

to be on TV, I may not change the channel. But now with this

ComicChams:

additional context on I think this is the cap. This is the

ComicChams:

cap. This is wild, the fact that it is two films to two films put

ComicChams:

into different lenses entirely. And now being forced together.

ComicChams:

This does not this, this shouldn't have been done. It's

ComicChams:

unfortunately, a slap in the face. Sorry to use that term to

ComicChams:

like actors like Will Smith. And, and Margot Robbie who are

ComicChams:

like I'm pretty sure they were like banking on this film doing

ComicChams:

really well being included in this universe at the very

ComicChams:

earliest stages. Um, you know, it's it's a shame to see that

ComicChams:

even like actors, like a man like Viola Davis, who had to

ComicChams:

like, sit through these like crazy scenes and even thinking

ComicChams:

about some of the characterizations really, truly

ComicChams:

didn't make sense. Because yeah, the flow isn't right. The fact

ComicChams:

that you can just pick up on the time the day differences is

ComicChams:

terrible. I really was hoping better for this film. There are

ComicChams:

some things I'm just like, I do wish they could dive into a bit

ComicChams:

more on like, I could, I could sense what they were trying to

ComicChams:

do between the comparison between Rick Flagg and dead

ComicChams:

shot. But it just it needed a little bit more, just give us a

ComicChams:

little bit more because it was like that whole cutting run

ComicChams:

line. It was just like that. That could have been the theme

ComicChams:

of your paper here. And unfortunately, you didn't do it.

ComicChams:

This was off the mark. This was worse. This was more of an

ComicChams:

intentional missed and death shot trying to hit Harley.

Arete:

Yeah. And to answer your question of you know, did it did

Arete:

they deserve better? The fact is, this is the fourth highest

Arete:

grossing film in the DCU. On a budget of $175 million dollars,

Arete:

it made $749 million which is significant profit. And we have

Arete:

to remind you, this is an Academy Award winning film. That

Arete:

is true

ComicChams:

Oh swayed me back to K okay, like

Arete:

this is the only film that DCU with an academy award

Arete:

so credit where credit is due. Your crack looks great. Killer

Arete:

Croc looks great. Harley's makeup looks great tattoo man I

Arete:

suppose he looks great

ComicChams:

I wonder how long it took him to wash off all that

ComicChams:

stuff

Arete:

he did it for the Academy

ComicChams:

oh man but okay, well a cap Academy Award winning

ComicChams:

film in a night we're gonna try to give it back a little I was

ComicChams:

gonna I was originally going to be like it has like a low Cape

ComicChams:

like that one that Captain Marvel Shazam has back in

ComicChams:

Justice League Unlimited the one that just like hangs off this.

ComicChams:

So this is cat. Oh, how about you? Were you thinking caper

ComicChams:

cap? Oh cap no question. This I really went into this hoping to

ComicChams:

have a little cheesy fun. Because I remember seeing this

ComicChams:

in theaters. And actually the first time I saw it, I thought

ComicChams:

it wasn't bad.

Arete:

But having watched it a few years later, with all the

Arete:

knowledge of movies and everything I've gained.

Arete:

This just isn't a movie. You know, it's it's a seer. You

Arete:

spend 40 minutes getting introduced to characters and

Arete:

then the plot starts and if you poke at the plot with the stick

Arete:

it completely falls apart. Um and along the way there are

Arete:

really there are big stretches of this movie where legitimately

Arete:

nothing happens. So it's not can't be it's not you know, it's

Arete:

at least no there's nothing there's not enough fun elements

Arete:

in this movie. But they try to be fun, but they they don't

Arete:

convince me and there are just so many other good Suicide Squad

Arete:

stories. Plug we covered some of them.

Arete:

In in earlier seasons, watch Assault on Arkham watch how to

Arete:

pay watch suicides got 2021 Watch the arrow episode of

Arete:

Suicide Squad watch the Justice League episode suicide spot.

Arete:

Place it was suicides quite close to Justice League maybe.

ComicChams:

Which actually matches up better with the goal

ComicChams:

that Amanda Waller had of like in the event that Superman comes

ComicChams:

in and tries to take us all over was our contingency plan. That

ComicChams:

is the game that was actually explained this. Oh, now

Arete:

I'm amazing. See the game got it. And if I had to make an

Arete:

RT alteration here

Arete:

just one there I mean so much. The the fundamental Suicide

Arete:

Squad movie is finding out what Amanda Waller secret agenda is

Arete:

what she says is never what it says on the tin. And here the

Arete:

twist was supposed to be. She's in the city. Not good enough

Arete:

guys. The twist should have been Enchantress, we should not have

Arete:

known that she was working within Chandra's app. Yeah, that

Arete:

should have been a complete surprise. That way when Deadshot

Arete:

finds out, we can be as upset as him. Because I'd love to get to

Arete:

that emotional state. I'd love to be outraged. But the fact is,

Arete:

and like in other movies where Amanda Waller is saying, you

Arete:

know, let all those people die because the mission is over. Or,

Arete:

Hey, your mission actually wasn't to get data it was

Arete:

actually this find this important item. You know, those

Arete:

are fun twists. But here, we know the entire movie that

Arete:

Amanda Waller did this. So

Arete:

why make it a surprise to anyone? Not a surprise? Would

Arete:

that save the movie? No. It wouldn't. But um,

ComicChams:

maybe it would have given us it would have given it

ComicChams:

the cape that Captain Marvel has.

Arete:

So, as we wind down here, I have to ask, because if we

Arete:

brought it up, would you watch the air cut of this movie as he

Arete:

originally intended the movie to be presented?

ComicChams:

As long as it's not like four hours long, like Zack

ComicChams:

Snyder's Justice League filled with lamenting singing, I would

ComicChams:

Yeah, I think I would definitely because I did the things that

ComicChams:

you mentioned that was originally part of his film are

ComicChams:

the things that I was like, I feel like we need that as I was

ComicChams:

watching this version, and I have seen the director's cut

ComicChams:

version of it to where it's just basically just more Harley

ComicChams:

fighting. Like fighting this joker. Like I think there's one

ComicChams:

scene where she rides on both sides. I call him the director's

ComicChams:

cut. And I'm just like, okay, cool. Um, but yeah, I think I

ComicChams:

would need to see it just because I need to see the tonal

ComicChams:

shift. I'm hearing how he was going to have Harley and

ComicChams:

Deadshot in the relationship and the romantic relationship. Like,

ComicChams:

as you see it progressing throughout the film, it would

ComicChams:

have made more sense. I think, also, it's such a drastic moment

ComicChams:

about like, Joker's story in general, where it's just like,

ComicChams:

his, it doesn't seem at all, like his motivation should be

ComicChams:

that he's trying to get hardly like, save Harley, and he has

ComicChams:

access to all of this stuff. Um, Nikki does feel very out of

ComicChams:

place that like, he's so adamant about trying to save her yet. We

ComicChams:

don't know how long she's been in there. And yet, he didn't try

ComicChams:

saving her before. But by the end of the film, it seems like

ComicChams:

it was an easy enough plan to do. So it feels like I needed a

ComicChams:

different characterization of Joker wishes sounds like the

ComicChams:

higher cut would have done for me. And I really did not want to

ComicChams:

see a joker who was willing to leap in to the vat for Harley,

ComicChams:

like, it was so out of place. For me. That was just like, it

ComicChams:

seems like for me, I was like Joker would have walked away and

ComicChams:

then have Harleen come out of that. And then just meet him,

ComicChams:

wherever he is. him jumping in. didn't make much sense. Yeah.

Arete:

He also kind of, you know, just claimed that to the

Arete:

bat from down there. You didn't have to fall for that. Oh, yeah.

Arete:

Like

Arete:

there's a security system in place, like a hole on the side

Arete:

that she could hold on to so you could pull her out? You could

Arete:

just kind of like, dip in there. Yeah. Do you want to see it? No.

Arete:

I I originally, I was interested in seeing what the aircraft had

Arete:

to offer. But I think the thing that did it for me was actually

Arete:

the opposite of what you're saying. Finding out that there

Arete:

was supposed to be a planned romance between Deadshot and

Arete:

Harley Quinn. And the Joker was going to be a bigger part. I

Arete:

think that makes this movie into an even bigger mess. Because now

Arete:

the emotional story we're supposed to be following is June

Arete:

and Rick Flagg. So putting in any more romance into this film,

Arete:

already dilutes that further right now, if this was a soup,

Arete:

it would be a drop of that romantic relationship. So I

Arete:

think it just adds not, it adds more clutter. And it just it

Arete:

becomes more crowded and cluttered. So I think shut down

Arete:

the air cut.

Arete:

I'm sorry. Keep it in the vault. Let's let's let this one go.

Arete:

Let's move on to other story.

ComicChams:

We're gonna put it in the hole and then throw the

ComicChams:

hole away. Yes, Amanda Waller was

Arete:

exactly I don't think I'll ever watch this movie

Arete:

again. To be honest,

ComicChams:

fair point, there are way better Suicide Squad

ComicChams:

movies out there. Episodes like, we will watch those instead.

ComicChams:

Alright, but even though there is no comic book connection to

ComicChams:

this film whatsoever, we did I did want to share a little bit

ComicChams:

about what's to come. Because as we are in the stage now of DCU

ComicChams:

This is the dawn of the DCU currently happening in comics,

ComicChams:

which will eventually lead to every basically every property

ComicChams:

or cross DC Entertainment being connected so from movies to

ComicChams:

shows to even the comic books. Right now they're setting all

ComicChams:

that up, including setting up Amanda Waller to be the biggest

ComicChams:

fan of the DCU currently, coming this summer, there are plans to

ComicChams:

create a series in which Amanda Waller tries to take out

ComicChams:

basically every single meta human. If you are a hero with

ComicChams:

powers, you're about to be gone. If your hero without powers,

ComicChams:

you're about to be gone. She is setting up for war, because she

ComicChams:

believes that we're coming to the end of the meta human

ComicChams:

existence. Especially the she sees it being a battle between

ComicChams:

the powered and the unpowered. So Amanda Waller has been as I

ComicChams:

mentioned setting things up. With some help. She sent things

ComicChams:

up for war since the events of dark crisis. After the events

ComicChams:

the dark Crisis on Infinite Earths the Justice League was

ComicChams:

disbanded. The Titans became the premier team of the DCU. And at

ComicChams:

one point, Amanda Waller had traveled to Earth three saw what

ComicChams:

the crime syndicate could done showing what people with powers

ComicChams:

could do when they're unchecked. So now that she is back, thanks

ComicChams:

to the help of some mysterious benefactor, she has done things

ComicChams:

to create war such as creating beasts world, where basically a

ComicChams:

bunch of the heroes and villains were turned into animalistic

ComicChams:

creatures. And she's also established her new Suicide

ComicChams:

Squad. This is honestly it feels like a rotating list because

ComicChams:

she's really getting a lot of people together that include

ComicChams:

members like Peacemaker because of his fame after the television

ComicChams:

series counter project is called Peace wrecker. Dr. Hate, who is

ComicChams:

basically an evil version of Dr.

Arete:

Wow, okay.

ComicChams:

An evil robot version of Batman called

ComicChams:

failsafes. Hmm, that was created by Batman.

Arete:

Oh, well, not a very good failsafe.

ComicChams:

And also, the brainiac queen. So right now,

ComicChams:

Superman Action Comics is going through the House of Brainiac

ComicChams:

story arc. So Brainiac queen is going to be coming out of that

ComicChams:

and this is all to get

ComicChams:

Eve evil versions of all these characters to come join her side

ComicChams:

because he feels that you gotta fight fire with fire. And as I

ComicChams:

mentioned after her trip to Earth three, this mysterious

ComicChams:

benefactor brought her forward to meet with this organization

ComicChams:

called the Council of light, which might sound very familiar

ComicChams:

to our young fans. And the light has tasked Amanda Waller with

ComicChams:

killing every single metal human on Earth, which she happily

ComicChams:

accepted.

ComicChams:

So in the summer, we're going to get absolute power and we're

ComicChams:

seeing it started off with issue number nine and the latest Green

ComicChams:

Arrow series where Green Arrow finding out that Roy has been

ComicChams:

taken into custody by Amanda Waller been unsure like where he

ComicChams:

is, decides to try to infiltrate what Amanda Waller is doing. In

ComicChams:

this comic she's currently in the Hall of Justice, which has

ComicChams:

been completely emptied out with her team, and they are taking

ComicChams:

apart the entire hall collecting all the items to Justice League

ComicChams:

left behind. And green arrow has is coming back from being wiped

ComicChams:

from existence after finding out that Malcolm Merlyn had been

ComicChams:

responsible for his elimination from existence at one point.

ComicChams:

So he decides that he needs to work with he needs to find out

ComicChams:

what Amanda Waller is doing, by deciding to work with her

ComicChams:

because she says that if you work with me, I'll give you back

ComicChams:

Roy Harper. And one of his first missions is to break into

ComicChams:

sanctuary and steal the secrets which sanctuary is from the

ComicChams:

heroes in crisis story limited series, which we cover back in

ComicChams:

our Static Shock episode on gun violence. So definitely check it

ComicChams:

out if you want to find out more about what sanctuary is. But

ComicChams:

it's basically a safe haven for heroes to heal after traumatic

ComicChams:

events. So she is plotting to do something that's going to

ComicChams:

involve most likely the heroes in their most vulnerable state.

ComicChams:

Showing that once again, Amanda Waller is that one that you do

ComicChams:

not want to mess with. You can't even go to the hospital. Like

ComicChams:

she'll find you. All right, so yeah, and that's it. So prepare

ComicChams:

for that. In the meantime, that's gonna wrap up our episode

ComicChams:

here. Join us next week as we continue caper cap. We're

ComicChams:

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ComicChams:

universe. X Men Dark Phoenix. Oh, yes. So before you come in

ComicChams:

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ComicChams:

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ComicChams:

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ComicChams:

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ComicChams:

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ComicChams:

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Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast
Fun deep dives and honest takes on superhero productions from two Black Nerds breaking down what’s worth your time ('cape') and what you can skip ('cap')
Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast is the perfect place for dissecting superhero shows, movies, and their source material comics from a Black nerd's perspective.

Join Chamar "ComicChams" Griffith and Andrew "Arete" Tejada as they delve into the stories, behind-the-scenes work, and comic origins of these productions. They provide a final review to let you know which ones are worth a watch and have earned their 'cape', and which ones have crash-landed and earned a 'cap'. Expect reviews, lightning rounds, and plenty of nerdy banter in every episode. Available wherever you get your podcasts.
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A Blerd from birth, Chamar is just a kid from Brooklyn who has always loved epic tales, art, and animation. Given that superheroes and cartoons have all three, he dived into this colorful world.

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