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28th Oct 2024

Green Lantern (In Brightest Day, In Blackest Box Office)

Join us for this latest installment of Cape or Cap, where we dive deep into Green Lantern!

This week our final stop on the "Ryan & Hugh Road Trip" brings us to the DC universe as we explore Green Lantern—a film that introduces Hal Jordan to the live action world and Ryan Reynolds in a film that would be postered through the halls of time as one of the worst superhero films of all time; we’ll break down the plot, dissect the characters, and answer your burning questions:

  • Is this good storytelling?
  • How does it compare to other films, comics, and larger narratives?
  • What was happening behind the scenes during the creation of this production and after its release?
  • And as always, is this a "cape" or a "cap"?

01:05:24 Cape or Cap Verdict

Referenced Materials:

  • Showcase #22 by John Broome and Gil Kane

Hosts: Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada

Producers: Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada

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124 minutes. Why was mine longer? Did? Did I watch the

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Director's Cut?

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Hi, I'm Shamar Griffith and I'm Andrew Tejada. We're going

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through superhero productions to let you know if they're still

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fun or the hype around it was dumb on Cape or cap a Black Nerd

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superhero podcast. You

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welcome to this week's installment of Cape or

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cat a Black Nerd superhero podcast. My name is Shamar

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Griffith, codename comic Shands and I am Andrew Tejada, codename

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Arete. Andrew and I have known each other since 1996 that was

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the year Bob Bergen voiced Marvin the Martian in Space Jam,

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because he was both aliens and Looney Tunes. He was, you know,

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the middle ground between them. And Bob Bergen would go on to

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voice baby Hercules, baby Tarzan, baby Quasimodo and also

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no face from Spirited Away. What he was like, let me change up my

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my portfolio real quick. And instead of voicing all these

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baby characters, let me go into something that was just like,

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honestly to this day, no face from spirit. The way still

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creeps me out. Oh yeah, yeah. And I also do want to mention

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Bob Bergen, of course, has done a lot more since then, he's been

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in like every Star Wars game, but those were the one that's

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just a funny run to me, so I just had to point it out. No, it

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makes sense, especially, you know, we're talking about alien

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life forms, and some of these actors tended to have some very

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childlike responses in their dialog, because today's episode,

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we are covering the DC movie that is probably known as the

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third worst DC movie ever created. I'm I'm putting

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Catwoman in that list putting steel because even though they

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didn't have the DC moniker or anything like that. They were DC

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films. And the the Trinity that would pull that all together is

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2011 Green Lantern, yes, at a run time of 114 minutes, this PG

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13 film would continue to cause trauma amongst comic book fans.

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For now 13 years, people are still unsure about where to put

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this. There was even at one point, I believe that Ryan

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Reynolds did a rewatch of it, if I'm not mistaken, and wait,

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tried to say it, you said 114 minutes? Mine was 124 minutes.

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Why was mine longer did did I watch the director's cut

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yourself to that? Oh my gosh. I'm sorry for the extra 10

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minutes that you had to the ordeal. Oh, that explains it,

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why it never ended. It's the darkest version of that lamb

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chops. Well, I mean, it might give us a hint already of where

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we're leaning, but we're going to definitely talk about, talk

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about this film directed by Martin Campbell, who, I gotta

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say, going through the list of the people who were involved in

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this film has been mind blowing. So Martin Campbell directed this

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film, and he also directed films such as James Bond's Casino

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Royale, oh, and James Bond's GoldenEye. My goodness, what?

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Where, where? Where did you go? As well as the mask of Zorro and

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the sequel, Legend of Zorro, straight bangers all across the

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place. Um, also, this film had not one, not two, because

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whenever we do superhero films. I noticed that we've had the duo

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of direct of writers as screenplay writers today, we

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have four. We got Greg Berlanti and Mark Guggenheim, who

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basically just ran DC productions for the majority of

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2010 we got Michael Green, who is known for doing work on Logan

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alien. Alien Covenant, Blade Runner, 2049, and Murder on the

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Orient Express, those are all really good movies, right? And

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then we have Michael Goldenberg, which I'm assuming caused a lot

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of back and forth, of like, who are we talking to in the writers

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room, with all these people starting with their name, with

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M? Um, we got Michael Goldenberg, who wrote contact. I

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have, I have, I have beef with contact before we talk about, I

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know people regarded as a pretty okay film, a good film. I

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actually have beef with it. Um, I just did not like how it went.

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But fortunately, Michael Goldenberg would eventually

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become the one right, the would eventually write the one Harry

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Potter film that wasn't written by Steve Clovis, and that is

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Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. I don't like that

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one. This might explain some things for you, alright, so the

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Green Lantern. Eventually, we've known it through time to be one

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to watch movies. It got 25% on its Rotten Tomatoes score. It

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currently has that right now, and 45% on the audience score.

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I'm not sure if that was the number back in the day, but I'm

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pretty sure that it was probably on par based off the reviews

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that had gotten and the people that were involved on this cast

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list is, of course, we have the star of the film, Hal Jordan,

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Green Lantern, played by Ryan Reynolds. This was his like,

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basically introduction to the superhero storytelling of

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things. Taiko ytt, still shocked that he's in this film. Will

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play his friend, Tom. You gotta start somewhere. This movie,

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though, does have, I will say that this movie in particular,

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does have a close place in my heart, because it was the movie

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that my my before she was wife and girlfriend, what we what my

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wife and I saw together for the first time. And apparently this

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is also the movie that is where Ryan Reynolds will meet his

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wife, where he will meet Blake Lively, who is playing Carol

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Ferris so see, y'all, there's a little diamond in the in this

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very, very coarse, very rough, rough that we have of a film.

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Next up we got Stanley Tucci, I'm assuming the clone. We got

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Mark Strong, who has done some great work. Don't like Don't

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mind me. He is playing the character Sinestro. Peter

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Sarsgaard is playing the character Hector Hammond, who

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goes through quite a change through this film. Thankfully

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for this next person is only one of him this time, as we have

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tomorrow, Morrison, who is playing Abin Sur tomorrow.

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Morrison, who is no will go on to play Boba Fett Mike, next up

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the late Michael Clark Duncan is voicing kilowatt. I have some

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thoughts about Lex Luthor. I mean Clancy Brown would be

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voicing parallax. And somehow, in the most surprising get in

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this film, I actually forgot she was in this. Angela Bassett, is

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Amanda Waller, sorry, Dr. Amanda Waller, yeah, with there's, I

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can't even open that can of worms. We have to get to it

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later, otherwise we won't even leave the intro. All right, so

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let's do this quick, because with that, let's see if this

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film should escape our sight and start our cape or cap review of

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Green Lantern. So in the sign of every good movie, you get

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narration on a dark screen. Let's go baby. Let's go

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exposition Central. So there's some a long story about how the

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Green Lantern Corps was formed. If you somehow have managed to

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get this far and not heard of the Green Lantern Corps. It is

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powered by willpower. Every they have rings that channel

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willpower that they have to recharge every once in a while,

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and they go around the the universe. They're basically

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space cops. They go, they go, using their Green Lantern rings

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to bring justice around the universe. We get all of that. I

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hope people who were unfamiliar with it before got that. So we

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find out that there's a Green Lantern named abbonsor who was

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against was fighting this other Greenland Green Lantern Guardian

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called parallax. Parallax, instead of willpower, he wanted

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to harness fear. So abnor was like, no. Thank you sir, and

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locked parallax in a deep hole that nobody could emerge from,

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except if three alien dudes just come by and parallax kills them,

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and then he can instantly get free. Yeah. So while we're

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sitting here watching a redone version of Power Rangers, mine

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more from Power Rangers to be yes, oh, Rita on my Rita timing,

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yes, um, we do see, though, that parallax escapes by absorbing

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the fear. This will be later explained, but we're assuming

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this being said, that he absorbs the fear of these individuals

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upon seeing him. And we jump now to a six month time jump where

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evanser is speaking with Sinestro, hologram of Sinestro.

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Who tells them the fate of a few planets that have been lost due

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to parallax presence. No one really knows, as really parallax

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is doing this. They just know that, like, each planet has been

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left basically decimated and filled with this, some sort of

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like yellow energy. So Abin, sir, once he closes off the

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call, this is when he starts hearing the voice of parallax

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calling out to him, who immediately finds and attacks

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him. Um, this causes ABBs, plane or ship to start careening

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towards the next inhabitable planet, sorry, the next

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habitable planet that that he has on his radar, because it's

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time for him to choose the new bearer of his power rank. So

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obviously, because it's our superhero storytelling, we hop

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up on Earth where we're introduced to the most Johnny

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Storm version of Hal Jordan I think I've ever seen in my

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entire life. Now this is where the movie would have gone if it

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was the regular cut, but in the Director's Cut, oh boy, after

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that opening scene and before abbsor is attacked by parallax,

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we get a 1993 flashback. That's right, we go back to 1993 and

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see how a young Hal Jordan watched his dad prepare for a

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test flight, which sounds really dangerous. He instead of going

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to school, how young Hal, like he's eight or nine, runs all the

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way to an airfield, watches his dad get in a plane that he's

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really confident about. As soon as the plane moves, I kid you

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not. It explodes. Okay? It explodes. There must have been

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some sabotage. It crashes. It looks like his dad's gonna be

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fine. Al runs to try to see his dad. His dad stands up, flashes

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him a thumbs up, and then explodes. So this is what you

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get in the director's version. And um, now we cut to present

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day. Then we cut to present day with AB and sore. And then after

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all of that, we get the next scene of the movie, which is

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arguably this movie's fourth opening, where we introduce Hal

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Jordan. I'm sorry, I just have to go back on that one second.

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You mean to tell me, in the Director's Cut, they did a time

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jump and then to the flashback, yes, yes, they did. Yes they

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did. Is this movie directed by the flash? What? Yes it if you

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watch the director's cut, it feels like you watch a monolog

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exposition, a random cut to 1993 childhood, another scene in

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space that is sometime after the first scene. You have to do the

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mental math to figure out when that scene is even happening.

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And then you get introduced to Hal Jordan. So, I mean, you're

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the obviously the finished cut sounds a lot smoother, but yeah,

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no, no, there was an extra 10 minutes on how Jordan's

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childhood.

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This explains why there were four writers on this opening.

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Um, but yeah, we opened up to how Jordan be introduced. Um,

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it's clear that it's the night after a long game of UNO that

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he's played with somebody that is there. So he realizes how

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late he is for work, so he drives over in my cut. I'm just

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assuming. There's like, a couple of things where he's just like,

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he's driving around. There's like he he almost causes

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accidents. He blames this on other people. And then

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eventually he pops up at work, at Ferris air, where they're

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planning to do some kind of test on this new set of planes,

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because he is a test fighter pilot, is it or a test pilot?

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Yeah, and it's sorry real quick, it's worth mentioning. He almost

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causes a car crash because he's trying to wrap a present while

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driving at 88 newspaper in newspaper, we'll come back to

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it. But I just needed to throw that out there, because I that

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comes back. Um, so we see him now in the locker room. He's

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trying to change into his flight suit. Um, he's having now a

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conversation with Carol Ferris, who's introduced. This is the

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first time I think I've ever seen Blake Lively, not blonde,

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so it was very shocking for me. He's reprimanding him for

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showing up late. There's a little bit of banter, because

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he's obviously playing the guy who's too cool for school. So

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now they hop on over to them flying in their fighter jets.

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I'm assuming that the jets that they were fighting against are

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unmanned, like they're trying to test out some kind of

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technology. Um, honestly, if you don't want to bother yourself

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watching this one, watch stealth. It's not as great of

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the film, but there was like, Jessica Beale and I think Jamie

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Foxx, yeah. Top Gun. Watch Top Gun. Yeah, so as they're flying

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around, we do learn that houses type of guy who apparently would

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be willing to sacrifice his, his, his like the person he's

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flying with. There's also some subtle, subtle nods to the comic

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book stuff, because for Carol, she the plane that her called

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sign is sapphire, which will be like, eventually will be her

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name, which becomes more villainous. So as they're flying

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around and how, decides to sacrifice, Blake Lively's

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character here, not really sacrifice, but really just like,

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there's like a electronic kind of signal, kind of like laser

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tag. So she gets tagged. He pushes the limits of his plane

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in order to push the limits of the unmanned fighter jets, and

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this causes all the planes to start falling back down to the

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ground. He's able to shoot down both of the planes, but he's

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unable to pull his own plane out of careening towards the ground.

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Now in my cud, this is when I got the flashback of his father

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dying. And I was like, okay, I can see it making sense. But I

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yeah, I would hate to wake up to my to it from a dream where my

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father dies constantly. Yeah, the director actually this is

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where something I'll let in a little early, but the director

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actually was really pissed that they did this during the scene.

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He actually did not want the flashback in there, because he

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preferred the full scene. All right. What triggers this

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flashback is unclear, because his ship was in working order

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for the most part. So it's unclear what triggers the

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flashback exactly, but what I can say is Iron Man already did

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it anyway. Yes, Hal Ajax, the same scene. Guys, the same

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scene. Halogex at the last minute, and despite him beating

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the drones because he crashed the plane to do so because he

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couldn't pull out of the maneuver that disrupted the

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planes. Not only is he fired, but everybody in the company is

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fired. What I need to speak to HR, because that is the most

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terrible way of handling layoffs. Yeah, and things that

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you're embezzling. People just wait and and things are piling

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up for him, because Carol screams at him when she mentions

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when he was like, mate, why are you doing a desk job? She gets

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mad about that and saying, you know, I don't have to be a

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pilot. This never circles back. It never comes back, by the way.

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Um, I forgot that even happened. Um, also his, uh, one of his co

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workers said, Hey, man, you cost us all our jobs somehow. So I'm

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gonna, we're gonna get you, I want you back. And even when he

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goes home the local news, who apparently has nothing better to

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do than a report on this government test slash, contract

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sale, all his brothers call him out for being too reckless, like

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their father. And after, after all of this, at least he has a

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moment to give a present to his nephew, the one he wrapped in

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newspaper. And I would love to point out at this point there

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was absolutely no reason he couldn't have waited to map this

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present. Why he the location he went to while he was wrapping

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the present was hours before this. He had hours of time to

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wrap this. Why did he wrap it in the car? It makes no sense.

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Also, like the when he took the plane out of the newspaper

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wrapping, it was not the same shape. It was. It was definitely

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more square, like and then when he takes it out, it literally is

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just this model fighter jet, and there's, like, no angles to this

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newspaper rapping. Also, I love how, like, none of the brothers

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actually have a name. Just you don't even know that they're

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brothers until he walks up into the kids rooms, just like, Hey,

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your uncle is here. And it was like, Oh, I thought this was

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just some random kids birthday party that you just decided to

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go to. And it was like, let me just bring a present. And he

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has, like, four brothers, right? Too many for a movie, guys in

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real life. Go ahead, I have it as many brothers as you want.

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But like, not, there were also too many of them in the house.

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Like, I haven't seen that many brothers. It's like, Cheaper by

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the Dozen. It's a lot. So there's this little heart to

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heart that they have, um, the scene be ends as soon as it

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begins. Honestly it, if you forget about it, it's totally

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fine, because I feel like this movie also forgot about it. So

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as he's heading back towards the car, because somehow this party

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is just done, he gets snatched up by this glowing green energy.

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And in the earlier scene, we do see that avenster had crash

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landed on Earth. He's in this bay. He sends the energy from

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his ring to go and find the next bearer. Honestly, this scene did

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upset me about avenster like sending out the energy to send

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up for the next bear. Because every single time we cut back to

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him, it's that scene, and it's like, okay, we get it, but like,

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what does it mean? Tell us. What does it mean to choose the next

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bearer. I've been dying for like, 24 hours. It was like

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watching an anime like. So as this glowing green energy takes

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how it brings him all the way to the bay, where he comes across

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the ship that avenster is in. So here is where we get our fourth

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opening to the movie, where admins are tries to warn. How

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about everything, about parallax and the threat he'll face, but

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most importantly, he gives him the Green Lantern ring and a

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very basic tutorial on how to use it. Um, how? Not really

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wanting any of this smoke. And calls, calls his friend Mike for

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a ride as the government shows up to take the alien. Um, before

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anything interesting happens. There. We cut back to OA, the

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planet of the Green Lanterns, and we have a long scene with

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Sinestro, where he's, yeah, he's insisted with Stanley Tucci,

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right? You he's, he's giving a and look, I want to say this

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Mark Strong, Sinestro is probably the best performance in

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this movie, consistently. Um, he really does understand the

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character, because Sinestro is saying, like, parallax is out

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here killing our people, and we're not doing anything about

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it. And he's trying to get to these guardians, like, look, I

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want to fight, but I'm not going to do it, unless you sign off on

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it. And he eventually is able to push the core the Guardians, to

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say, Look, I'll go myself with a select few if we die. That's

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fine, but you have to give me a shot. And here's the point where

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I'm like, why aren't you the main character of this movie?

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Because this is really compelling. Yeah. I loved every

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scene with Sinestro, because it again the same thing. Like he

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really, like, you said, he really got the character he was.

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I felt very motivated to like every time he spoke, I was like,

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Yeah, let's, let's roll for war. And unfortunately, you know, I

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feel like this movie should have spent more time on this than

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trying to focus on, well, I guess, like Hal Jordan trying to

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learn how to wrap a gift while driving 80 miles per hour and

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trying to audition for fast and furious. I don't know, Christmas

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edition or something, so I don't know, but as we have that moment

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we close out.

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We head on back to Earth, where Dr Hector Hammond, he is at home

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just chilling. He gets a knock on his door, and there are two

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guys dressed in suits, obviously, because this is a

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alien type movie. We're assuming that they're some sort of like

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government officials. They tell him that he needs to come with

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them. He thinks it's a joke. We immediately just cut to him

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being in a car with a bag over his head, being taken off as

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he's brought to another location, unknown where this

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location is. It just looks like an old warehouse, but then when

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they guide them through, it turns out to be this, like

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secret facility run by the government. And here is when we

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get to meet Angela Bassett. It is Amanda Waller. Now look

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people on paper. This casting absolutely slaps like facts.

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Angela Bassett has the chops to play Amanda Waller properly.

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Unfortunately, whoever writers were in the room for this final

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version, this is not Amanda Waller. She her her

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ruthlessness, her brutality, her do anything for the for the sake

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of the her greater good. It's not here. All we have here is a

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government liaison spouting exposition this. She is too

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nice, she is too courteous, and there's just nothing she she

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absolutely doesn't give us anything. And again, Angela

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Bassett is incredible. She gave everything she could, but there

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is just no life in this Amanda Waller at all. This is the worst

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Amanda Waller to exist in the multiverse, again, not again,

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not because of Angela Bassett. Angela Bassett is a we love.

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Angela Basset here. She's a freaking saint that. But you're

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right. She needed. More from this dialog, more from this

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scene, and instead she was written as just basically like

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government official number 37 Yeah, it's weird. Speaking of

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the exposition, we learned that the government was able to

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collect the body of appen sur so now Hector Hammond is

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responsible for basically doing the, I'm assuming, the Alien

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Autopsy. They never really call it out, but he is doing the

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autopsy on admin service body. At the same time we see how

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trying to get the lantern to work. There's a very lengthy

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kind of joke scenario, because I think it's just because the

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2000s because of Tobey Maguire, Spider Man, they just decided

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to, like, let's just dial into this, like, comical takes on

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things that are, are like superhero fans know, but are

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going to love the fact that they're like, not just known

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like spider man doing the fly, go, web go, and not being able

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to do the actual hand signature. They basically recreate it here

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with Hal as he is pledging allegiance to the to the lantern

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um that has crash landed and gave him this ring that is

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basically almost what he says in this thing. And speaking of

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Spider Man, another movie, superhero movie, this blatantly

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rips off during Hector's autopsy of AB and sore he just

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accidentally touches a part of the alien that has a trace of

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parallax. Fear. I hate this, because this could have happened

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to anybody. This was there's nothing special that he did, or

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illegal that he did to earn to warrant this. But he gets

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infected, and he he gets sweaty. He's at home at night,

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transforming. His body is transforming, which is just such

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a blatant ripoff of 2002 Spider Man this exact sequence. And it

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was so clear they were trying to do a parallel of how, like Green

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Goblin and Spider Man transformed at the same time,

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Hector and Hal transformed at the same time. But the problem

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is in that, in Spider Man, one chose to do this. So somebody

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chose it. One was an accident. And here it's kind of both an

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accident. Yes, how was chosen, but very lightly. And there's

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another big thing where I have to ask, why is Hal trying to do

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the oath at all? What? What reason does he have to do it? He

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doesn't have a reason. He could literally have thrown this whole

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lantern in the ring into the back of his closet and called it

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a day like it, there's, there is a mention speaking Aspire man of

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honor and responsibility, a line that Alvin sir tells him that,

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like this is what it has. And there's this just running joke

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from um, from Tom, Tom's character just being like, oh,

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responsibility. I guess responsibility must mean asshole

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on a different planet or something like that. And it's

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like, okay, one rude. But also, why does Hal want this

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responsibility he is now, on many occasions, shown that he

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rather fly by the seat of his pants than be actually serious

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about anything like he does seem to want to want to push people

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to make sure that they're actually accepting what they

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truly want in life. Like how the dialog between him and Carol,

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when he's like, you don't want this desk job, it's aggressive,

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but like, he could see like, what he's trying to get to, but

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it's not the most ideal way to say it. So I agree. Like,

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there's no reason for him to be like, I want to become a Green

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Lantern. I want to become like the purple, green alien that

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that did this, even though I have no idea what he is, what he

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can do to me. What does taking on this responsibility could do

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to my life, or even now, just looking because of the fact they

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did the the duality of it, if I touch the thing, will I get

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infected with some kind of alien virus that will lead to my

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death, or this, this figuration in the near future? There's no

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reason for him to do it. Yeah. And this kind of meandering

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things continues because as just as he does figure out the the

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lantern oath and gets powered up. Carol just shows up and

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says, Hey, actually, we that contract thing worked out. We're

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gonna be fine, actually. And it was like, why did that get

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resolved off screen, and they do some banter about the romance

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that is pretty much copy paste from any superhero romance

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you've ever seen, and I this scene is so hilarious to be

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because as soon as Carol mentions fear, as soon as she

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mentions therapy, this man walks out of the bar and leaves her.

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He doesn't chase after him either. He just freak. And

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leaves as soon as he hear men would rather leave their the

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most hot girl they've ever met in their life than to think

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about therapy like it is true. Um, and he immediately gets

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jumped by his co workers, and he puts on a decent fight, but

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eventually he gets back into a corner and accidentally uses his

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ring to punch them all with the big green fist. And the guy he

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punched through the wall, that brick wall, is dead. Oh, is

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dead. He's 100% dead. Yep, yep. Adding that to the Green

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Lantern, l count, bringing it back. So as this happens, Hal is

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freaking out, and then immediately he gets engulfed in

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the same green energy again, and then teleported and transported

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to space, I'm assuming, because he killed someone, he has to

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file a report with his superiors. So they were like,

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this is going to be an in person HR meeting. So we hop on over,

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and it's treated like any kind of alien abduction movie where

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he's knocked out. He's unconscious. Somehow they took

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off his clothes, leaving him in just very white tight underwear,

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and then he starts experiencing some electrical shocks that go

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through his body that then leads into him, just getting his suit.

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And this is the suit that everyone has beef with, because

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it was all CGI it, almost looking at it and really trying

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to say, I was like, yeah, it is a little weird. I don't know.

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Maybe it's because we just been spoiled by, like, actual costume

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designers creating these suits nowadays. But like, when you

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think about, like, this movie coming out after Batman Begins,

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and I also believe After Dark Knight, or even after, um, I

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want to say, after Iron Man, yeah, it's just shocking to see

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that, like, they decided to go the full CGI on a suit that's

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pretty simple to make, if I do so say, if I do say so myself,

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like, literally, green body suit that you could buy at any Party

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City. You can either spray paint or stitch on the black lining

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and add the logo, you're good, and then add in the CGI elements

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afterwards.

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Yeah, I mean, Wayne T Knight gave, I believe that. And I'm

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sorry if I butchered the actor's name, but he was showing his

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sample Jon Stewart for Zack Snyder Justice League. I believe

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that was him. And that suit looked great, yeah, and that

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was, that was a great suit, yeah? And that was completely

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practical. And I know we've come, to be fair, we have come

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far in 10 years in terms of suit technology, but I think we still

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could have gotten something decent back then, um, and also,

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like, how painful the suit bounding process is, because I

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don't, is it ever, has it ever been caused pain to put on a

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Green Lantern suit? No, I don't thought about just like from

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Fantastic Four, Johnny Storm is legit on fire every time he

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suits up. This man is okay. This guy agreed it hurts. So after he

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gets dressed in the most painful suit up sequence you've seen

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since Blue Beetle, I will. I'm gonna give this movie two points

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of credit. All right, I give it two points of credit. He's

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talking to tomare, who, you know, looks like a fish and,

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well, I mean, okay, quick deduction. He has barely any

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reaction to a humanoid fish talking person. It's kind of

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just like, oh, you're a fish. No, bro, no, you have to react

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bigger than that. Um, but tomare mentions that they have not

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bonded. This is the first time in their history where humans

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bonded with the ring. So that opens up some possibilities.

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And, you know, fun, unique challenges. And he also informs

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how they can fly. And a lot of superhero movies nowadays

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underestimate this scene. But how does enjoy flight? He enjoys

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having his powers, he has a good time. This is, this is a scene

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that, even in good superhero movies, is all they they skip.

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They skip that moment of pure joy when they really embrace

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what they can do for themselves in the world. And I will give

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them credit for having this. Um, before cutting to the real main

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character, Sinestro. Yeah, we see that Sinestro is amongst the

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entire Green Lantern Corps here on OA, giving his Braveheart

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speech, telling Raleigh and the truth, telling them that we are

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about to head into war to defeat parallax, because he has taken

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not only members. Of our core. But he's also taken planets and

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the lives of many people, the lives that we were hired to

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defend. And there's, at one moment, there is a there's a

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snide comic that he makes about Alvin SIRs ring going to a new

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person. It's not really caught by Hal, but it is caught by

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basically every single Korean Lantern Corps member. So he's

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not really sure what's really going on. But people decide, all

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right, we're gonna head on to war, but how's not ready yet.

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This is another point of contention for a lot of people

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have watched this movie, is how's training. So we get

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introduced now to kill a walk. And I gotta say, love Michael

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Clark Duncan that decided to choose him for the voice, I hate

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to design killag In this where's your neck, bro, where's your

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neck, right? Also, killer walk always had like these, like,

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huge teeth, like, in this movie, he's more like a pig versus the

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boar that I wanted to see from him, like, so I was a little

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upset that they kind of just made him more of a character of

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like, oh, because you look like a pig, obviously you stink,

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obviously you don't really know what you're doing. And it's only

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through like light levels of training that Hal experiences

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that, like a Green Lantern, has to go through a lot, such as

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being able to pull himself away from the gravitational pull of

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the sun, learning to use his constructs in a way that allows

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him to, one, make them sturdy, but two, to defend himself when

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he might be taken advantage of at any point. And this is he

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does get one win, one win amongst, I think, four beat

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downs that kilowatt provides. But upon that win, he does get a

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big bit of a big head, which is completely addressed by, once

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again, the main character of our film here, Sinestro, who's like,

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okay, cool, you got one, but let's see how you could continue

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on. And now it's more of a battle between alien versus

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human, with everyone believing, once again, that humans can't

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really do anything, and they this should not get the Green

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Lantern ring at all. Yeah, and this is a, this is a fine scene,

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I would say. You know, Sinestro beats him down so much and just

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embarrasses him in front of, well, I guess just two people,

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not really a crowd, which would have been nice to parallel if,

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again, he embarrasses himself in front of a crowd instead of just

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like two people. And how, how, gives up, right here, he just

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gives up, takes off the ring, which you think would disqualify

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him instantly for this, but no, it's good. It's fine. So back

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with Hector, who, I guess is the villain. Hector starts gaining

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the ability to read thoughts, and when he hears, while he's

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teaching a class, one of his students calls him a loser,

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which I mean, is like, I don't even there's, there's multiple

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times where people call Hector a loser in this movie, and to this

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point in the movie, later on, he does some stuff, but to this

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point in the movie, I don't really get why. Yeah, he's just

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a smart guy at teams that you know just has a steady career

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and really enjoy. He seems to really enjoy teaching. Yeah, his

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class seems to be really engaged too. Yeah, it's like, the things

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you notice when you grow up, you're like, actually, it seems

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like he's got a pension. He's got a huge apartment, like, I

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don't really see before this point. Why he's so bitter. And

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it gets even worse when he meets his dad, where his dad is like,

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yeah, I let you see that alien because of nepotism. And for

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some reason, there's a weird thing where Hector is mad that

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his dad gave him advantage, but also mad that his dad thinks

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he's a loser. And I'm like, what you have to pick a lane with

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these characters. If it's, does his dad think he's a loser, and

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he was like, this, what you needed son, or does his dad

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thinks he's weird and that, or even respects him as a

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scientist, right? That would have been more appropriate. It's

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like, yeah, you could do your weird alien thing you're always

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talking about, yeah? Like it the the alignment was just wild. And

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then we cut hard, cut to the lantern fighting parallax?

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Sinestro pulls up with his core. They're fighting parallax, and

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it instantly goes bad. But the crazy thing about the scene

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that's a flashback. In the middle of the scene, it cuts the

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voiceover narration of Sinestro narrating that this has already

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happened in the past, would you do this?

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Oh my gosh. What is tide and the cherry on the top of the cake on

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this. Uh, this confusing scene is that the Guardians reveal

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that. This is where the Guardians tell Sinestro that

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parallax was once a Green Lantern who got corrupted by the

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power of fear and became what they are. Now he is getting all

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the info on this huge betrayal of the main character, of the

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main villain and HAL is nowhere to be seen. Hal never learned,

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to my knowledge, Hal never learns this that he was a

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corrupted Green Lantern that gave in the fear. So why is this

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being told to Sinestro? If he was the main character, I forgot

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all the stuff with Hal is side character stuff um so, as

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Sinestro insists, convinces the core to make a yellow ring. We

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cut back to just a party that was never set up or introduced

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and has as many black jazz musicians as lala land. I lot,

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yeah, thankfully, he does get credited in the movie, though,

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not said in the actual film. Is just at the in the end credits.

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That's, that's what. Anyway, at this party, this is now where we

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see every single character in our film that resides on Earth,

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coming together, Hector and how and Carol. Carol, apparently

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they all have some kind of connection. So while Hal and

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Carol continue to work along the same path, it seems as if Hector

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had known them for when they were younger or more, so just

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maybe a couple of years back. And he does seem to kind of like

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pine after Carol, because he's kind of, like talking with her

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in this kind of like, Hey, I'm trying to show you that I'm cool

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by, like, tipping my head to the side kind of thing whenever I

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make a comment. But during their time of like talking together,

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he gets a little drunk and starts mentioning stuff about

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the alien, which he was told by Dr Amanda Waller not to reveal,

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and also by his father not to reveal, because it's supposed to

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be top secret. And his father overhears it, goes over to try

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to stop him, and when he does so, he's like, all right, I'm

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done with this party for the evening his father. I mean, I

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don't know why his father just decided to leave after seeing

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his son. Yeah. Also, why was the helicopter in the middle of the

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party? Like, what? That's not safe, guys. And the reason why

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it's not safe isn't because of, not because of any reason you

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could think of. It's because Hector Hammond uses his psychic

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abilities, his newfound psychic abilities, to break off one of

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the spouts from the from the beer dispensers, to knock it

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into the rear propeller of the helicopter causing the whole

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thing to frantically careen all around everyone. I am surprised

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that no one died the way that it was basically hitting the ground

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on every move. I mean, we're gonna, we're gonna get into mass

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death later. Uh, trust me, we will, um, but here is where,

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kind of out of nowhere, because we remember, this is a Green

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Lantern movie. Um, how caring Sinestro though. No, that's a

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yellow lantern. Um, how comes in and saves the day. And the one

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of the biggest knocks against this movie is that the

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constructs are kind of lame, and I want 1,000% agree and also add

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that they're actually really dangerous. Because early in the

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movie, when Hal was training with Sinestro, he uses a machine

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gun turret, which, to his knowledge, would kill Sinestro.

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I mean, he's murdered before, but so I guess it lines in his

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character here to save the helicopter. He creates a race

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track, which was foreshadowed when he went to his nephew's

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room and saw a racetrack, like a Hot Wheels racetrack, but the

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way that the helicopter, like goes around and everything, and

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it's like, I know you're trying to slow its momentum down, but

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you know what heart wheels racetracks typically do when

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they get to the bottom, go really freaking fast, bro.

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They're definitely gonna have whiplash and die. And as further

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proof, the copter almost hits Carol anyway. So wow, wow, wow,

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to quote pitch meeting on that one, and the movie, even as

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Hector further morphs into a more hideous form, Mike comes

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in, uh, how's best friend? Mike comes in and even criticizes the

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decision, is this friend? Wait. Sorry. Is this friend named Mike

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or Tom? I was calling him Tom. Uh, it probably is. Tom, I'm, I

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look the director's cut that 10 minutes has it may it's probably

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Tom, it I, I also would be surprising the Director's Cut

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his full name isn't like Tom, Mike, or Mike Tom or something,

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yeah. I mean, his role in the movie is right now, because

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after insisting on seeing the Green Lantern suit in person for

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absolutely no reason, and I want to emphasize for absolutely no

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reason, he's like, Well, you're in the suit. Why don't you go

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get the girl? It was never even really specified that, like HAL

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wanted to be with Carol, like they have spent the entire film

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being at each other's throats because of things like, yes,

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they had that like one moment in the bar, but again, he left when

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he was told that he should go and do therapy, which is a

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normal thing to tell someone so how in the suit flies over, he

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tries to put on his Best, deepened voice so that he isn't

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picked up on by Carol. Um, but the more that Carol kind of

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looks at him and is talking with him and getting real close to

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him, he's thinking that they're going to embrace and kiss and,

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you know, do the thing where it's like the hero does get the

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girl, she immediately pulls back because she recognizes that is

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how immediately, and then he just decides, Well, might as

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well just reveal it all, because, again, they grew up

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together, and they just basically spends the rest of

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this movie, the rest of this scene with kind of a dopey, kind

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of look on his face. Was like, Ah, you got me. Oh, I guess the

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mask didn't really work? Like they told me it was going to

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work on Ola, yeah. I mean, okay, it is legitimately one of the

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best line of the movie is, do you think I wouldn't recognize

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you because I can't see your cheekbones? That's good. That's

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good. Um, also the fact that she was like, I also have seen you

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naked, and I was like, that's also fair, given the fact that

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basically the suit is on his naked body, just like,

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unnecessarily tight for CGI, right? Um, so here's where they

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have a heart to heart, where he's saying, like, yeah, just

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got all these awesome powers that I've used literally one

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time. And I think I'm gonna quit actually. And this conversation,

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again, is baffling, because he keeps saying, like, yeah, don't

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you know, I always mess up, bro, whatever you did in the plane,

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scored a contract and led to that fancy party. You're

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obviously a successful pilot. You're obviously playing uno

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with women every other day. You got a Green Lantern ring and

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alien powers that you've had for a day, and you're not the best

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at them, sure, but to say you keep messing up is absolutely

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wild. It's like if Spider Man two, he was like, I keep making

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money. That doesn't track to anything we've seen bro that

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this doesn't make any sense whatsoever. This conversation

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doesn't make any sense. But speaking spider man alone about

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not making money, okay, I feel it. I feel it. Um, but speaking

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of things that don't make sense, we cut back to Hector, who has

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now morphed really out of control, and his dad is like,

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please, son, I want to get you some help. Not ironically, not

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he he's actually legitimately wants his son to get some help.

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And for some reason, Hector, who now has the ability to read

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thoughts by touch, even though he could just read thoughts

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normally, yeah, um, touches Amanda Waller, and she has a

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flashback of some traumatic event in her past that is

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flashing by so quickly I cannot even speculate what happened in

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the flashback. I don't know what tragedy is in her past. From

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that that's her. That's her comic origin. So they wanted to

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remind us they're like, yo. This is actually Amanda Waller, by

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presenting that she once had a loving family that was

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unfortunately all unfortunately, all experienced traumatic

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deaths, and she decided to join the government in order to

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rectify the laws that would allow for these things to

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happen. So we basically get a full flashback of Amanda Wallace

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comic book origin story, just to remind us that Angela Bassett is

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Amanda Waller, great, um, great, because she becomes a vital part

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of the movie for the next five minutes.

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I Yes. So when he does this, seeing her memories, this is

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when they decide that he needs to be incapacitated. So they do

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give him some kind of injection to knock him out, because they

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do realize they tell. Him that upon further inspection of the

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alien body, they found that there were actually two beings

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in that body, and they believe that he was infected by one, so

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try to place him on the quarantine. Meanwhile, Hal just

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heads back to the location where Aven Sir, where he found Aven

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sir. And just like contemplates tomar Rey's words, I honestly

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feel like they just introduced tomar re in this film just to

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provide some exposition and like the voice of reason for him, or

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something like his like Jiminy Cricket, which was weird. He

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just gets up and leave, but then we just hop back over to Hector,

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who's now in restraints, and he's just like, all right, I'm

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gonna use my telekinetic abilities to break out of

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everything here, and then somehow hard cut to not only

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him, but just like using his abilities to, just like, to flow

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everyone out there and press them against surfaces, to try to

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crush their bodies. But then how Jordan Greenland as Green

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Lantern just arrives, no, no reason for him to know exactly

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this is where the facility was, no reason to know that Cameron

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was the one that was infected by the parallax or anything he

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again at this point, he doesn't really have an understanding of

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who parallax is, except for the fact that the Green Lanterns

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went to go handle it on A planet far, away a long, long time ago.

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Yeah, this is and it also like Hector broke out. But they

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weren't like threatening to kill him. They weren't threatening to

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dissect him. They were just like, Yo, we want to help you.

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But anyway, um, there is literally maybe one power

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exchange between Hector and Hal before they knock themselves out

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and end up on the floor like the battle is extremely short, and

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Hector lamenting the fact that he's such a failure, which,

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again, I don't see, doesn't trek at all for his character,

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successful career. And I think they try to make it about his

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appearance, but yes, that's your appearance now. But prior to

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that, you're just a normal dude, bro. You lacked a little Riz,

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but, and you were sniffing people, which was weird, but,

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um, he was, um, that was it. But as he's lamenting how much of a

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failure he is, he he burns his father to death. Also in the

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middle of this, Amanda Waller falls, but Green Lantern saves

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her, puts her on a wave, and she leaves the movie. Because that's

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it. That's it for Amanda Waller for this movie. This, find out

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kind of weird after watching Wakanda forever, though. It's

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just like this, this, oh, acid, just exit films in water, like I

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we're gonna go through a month of Angela bass and see get a

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taste out of this. Um, so how to fight back touches the ring to

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Hector's head, which, for some reason, he thought would work,

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and because he does this, parallax is alerted to Earth,

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and parallax says, I'll come to earth and kill everybody. Um,

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so, yeah, this is a powerful lesson, don't touch people.

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Yeah, honestly, um. And right after this, we cut back to how

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who, apparently now, with the ring, touch, has learned

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everything about parallax and everything. And this

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conversation is, they're like, why are you giving up? Hal and

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he's like, Well, Green Lanterns are supposed to be fearless. And

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then Carol asks, but why I get it? But why? Why are you giving

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up? Because I'm afraid I can spend the next 3000 hours

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dragging this entire dialog, but I will just completely say thank

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you movie for giving me the definitions and the antonyms and

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the synonyms of fearless and afraid, and try to turn it into

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a poignant speech about why a hero couldn't measure up to the

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task, followed By the inspiration they will get from

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their friend telling them to just get ready for the big

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fight, because there, even though he's afraid, he should

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embody the thing that his father apparently a thing that we've

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never come across, that his father might have also been

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afraid, But what he was using to get through every day was

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courage. And at this point, I was just like, are you all just

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trying to throw in every single color of the Lantern Corps in

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here and the meaning behind the colors, to try to get us to be

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like purple? And it doesn't work. It's not as this is not

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strong dialog, especially because the friend Tom or or

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Mike, it is totally absent from it the entire time. This is

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again, where the movie is so confused at what is trying to

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teach us. Because I being very generous, I think the movie was

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supposed to say that how, when, how, watched his father die in

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that explosion. That is only in the Director's Cut, he saw a man

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that even in the face of death, he was that man was smiling

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right before he died. So maybe in his head how was supposed to

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be, like my dad was fearless. And then throughout the movie,

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we'd see him do all these crazy, risky things, insisting he was

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fearless and denying that fear, maybe that could have been the

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track and that could have been interesting. But the problem is,

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he is clearly afraid. He clearly states he's afraid multiple

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times before this, and we are unable to determine if he's

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reckless and truly like suppressing the fear deep down,

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or if he's fearful but does reckless things sometime, I

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can't tell you which one he is, because the movie never decided

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making his arc impossible to track. It's not possible. You

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can see where it ends. The ending arc is very clear. But

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how he got here? I don't know. I want to tell you, I really do,

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but I can't, because this movie has made it impossible, and it's

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it's time, and we also get here. Finally, Sinestro and Hal see

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each other after like an hour of movie time. Um, yeah, because I

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did track, because I was just like I do. I did remember,

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because I did see Disney theaters, I did remember that

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the movie was supposed to end soon, and we now have like 30

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minutes of film left, including credits. So this was surprising

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that we had to wait this long for this re this reconnection

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for them, yeah, and how just argues to the Green Lantern

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guardians, Hey, um, I know you're about to because Sinestro

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actually is fighting for Earth. He's like, they're like, Oh,

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we're actually going to let parallax just roll over Earth

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while we prepare the fear ring. And sinnesh was kind of

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conflicted, but he's like, all right, if that's what we have to

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do to save the universe, I'll go with you guys. And Hal rolls in

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and says, Please give earth a shot. And they're like, no. So

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how's like, I guess I'm going to go back to Earth and do it

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myself. And they're like, Okay, so just to if you're keeping

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score, at home, there is no reason for him to go, because

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nothing changes as a result of him going at all like nothing.

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Movie is different. If he had just the yellow lantern ring,

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it's it. And guess what, when he comes back, Carol's Carol's been

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kidnapped. They don't show how that happened. Okay, I was

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hoping it was, I was hoping it was in the director's code,

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because that was my biggest question. It was just like, did

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Tom Mike just leave her and he tried to fight back? Where is

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he? Did he lose his life against parallax or Hector, because

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she's just floating in air with somehow he was able to get more

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of the the yellow energy or infection that was inside

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absurd, to try to inject her, to turn her into like him. And has

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HAL is trying to fight him and tell him, don't do that. Don't

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do that. Like you're gonna like, think better. He's just like,

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Oh, are you only saying this? Because if she looked like me,

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you wouldn't love her anymore. And then, I mean, remember, I

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gotta be honest, dude, the way you are current before you were

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good currently, it's not, you know, something is going wrong

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with you, like, right now, clearly, like, you're, you're,

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you're continually morphing. So honestly, I think he'd be in his

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rights to be like, Let me think about it, like something is

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like, this is not a good argument. I know what they're

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trying to do. I think what they're trying to do is be like,

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if you're not conventionally attractive, which, I mean, in

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this movie, is ridiculous. Everybody's looks fine that you

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don't get attention from women, which is a real INCEL like

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message to me, putting your movie. But again, the the

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problem with this plot line is, prior to this, no one commented

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on his looks, because you can argue it's all in his head.

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That's fine. But no, not a single person's rejected him for

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being ugly or unattractive. He was always rejected in his mind

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for being a loser. So why are you introducing this plot where

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he cares about appearance? He doesn't. He never has, until

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this point, has

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It's weird, it's weird. But Hal tries to convince him he was

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like but you can be like me through the power of Dr zismo,

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not Dr zismore. But rather, he offers his Green Lantern ring

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and says that I can give you the power that I have. And I was

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like, pretty sure that Green Lantern rings can't change your

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appearance except just giving you CGI bad CGI suits. But he

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accepts it, and as he takes on the energy he is. Is able to

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stand up from his chair, or float from his chair, which I

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was thinking was like, couldn't have just done that with his

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teleconnect abilities already. But he's he is able to create a

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blast of energy from the ring, which he then tries to send

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towards how but it stopped suddenly, and he tells him like,

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Ha tricked you. You actually have to be chosen. And he takes

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back the ring. The ring also sends the blast back to Hector,

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flying him back. And because he's knocked out a little bit,

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it causes Carol to fall because it breaks the psychic hold

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that's on her. Hal catches her. Just doesn't even use the ring.

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He just, actually just runs over and catches her as she's

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falling, the serum cracks on the floor, and then all of a sudden,

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parallax just shows up and kills Hector. Yep, that's it. He's

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gone, like all that. Yeah, yep, he's gone. That build up. So

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Carol gets a moment where she, while HAL is struggling with

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parallax, why parallax doesn't kill her? I truly don't

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understand. He can clearly kill multiple people at the same

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time, and how at the at that very moment, was depowered. It

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shouldn't anyway, um, so she uses a jet to distract parallax.

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So how can regain his ring? Parallax goes outside of the

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building to chase Hal and kills a lot of people. A lot of people

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die just casually, just a lot they imply that school kids on a

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bus probably didn't make it, which is one of the darkest

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things I've seen in a live action DC movie. And I I've

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watched Joker multiple times. And this is also where you

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realize that his friend, Tom Mike, he is not here. It's not

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in the climax. What superhero movie Have you watched where

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their best friend or the goofy sidekick is driven the man in

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the chair? Yeah, the man in chairs just shunted out of the

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movie that early. Like, what? Even Ned goes the distance in

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most Spider Man movies, like, what is going on here, but after

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a lot of people die, Hal is able to push parallax into space by

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saying the oath where now he can enact his master plan for the

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greatest battle in Super Huber history, or whatever. Yes, so,

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so remember that time when Hal learned about the gravitational

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pull of of like bodily planets and all that? So he decides,

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basically to steal the end sequence of the Mighty Morphin

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Power Rangers movie and bring parallax as close to the sun as

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possible. Um, the sun starts pulling on parallax. Every

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single time that parallax tries to use his energy, it ends up

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getting absorbed or brought back by the Sun due to gravity. I do

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not think that's how energy works. No, I'm no rocket

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scientist, but I feel like that's a no. HAL is able to

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create two fighter jets as constructs to use them to pull

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to keep pulling him away from the gravitational pull of the

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sun, and the more that HAL is able to keep this fight going.

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We do see that he uses the same punch that he used them when he

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killed the guy by sending him through the brick wall to send

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parallax into the sun. This, I think this is probably the time

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when they're trying to show that, like, how did have enough

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willpower? Because I think this is the it was really subtle, and

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I wish they actually kind of dived into a little bit more,

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but it seemed as if back when he was saving the party, when he

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created the racetrack, but then saw that Carol was in danger, so

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try to create a shield over her. He couldn't create two

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constructs at the same time, but here it is, he did, and it will

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be nice if they actually said that instead, we do see, though,

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that like, because of this overuse of energy, he falls

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unconscious. He starts careening towards the sun, and by a

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miracle, well, even though there's an entire Green Lantern

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Corps, he is saved by this three people that we got a chance to

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see the most work with, Sinestro, kilowatt and tomare,

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who basically just construct ELTs and drag him back away from

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the gravitational pull up the sun, which is crazy feats for

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this guy to defeat, like the head honcho villain of the

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universe. First day. Yeah, Killa hog, he's like, do I know how to

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train him? Bro, five seconds. You trained him for five

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seconds. Um, like, Goku has trained for longer, and he

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struggled against some god like deities, right? Um, there's

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really nothing else that happens in this movie of note. Um

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Greenland House says, I'll go find more evil someday, and

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then, then Sinestro finds it, pulls up, puts on the fear ring.

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That's it. Nothing else. There's no other resolutions with any of

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the other characters. Amanda Waller doesn't come back. Mike

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Tom doesn't come back. This is over. The movie's over now. All

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alright. So that wraps up. 2000 elevens, Green Lantern. What are

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you constructing with your power of will for this movie? Is this

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movie made? You're making? Are you making a cape, or are you

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making a cap? You know, I know it sounds like this is the best

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movie we've seen on the podcast, bar none, um, but this is

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actually, actually going to be a cap, and it's not for the

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reasons you expect when you think about this movie. It's not

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because of the bad CGI, it's not because of the lame fight

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scenes, though those things help. It's just the simple fact

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that the main character of this movie is pushed along a track

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and really has no control, fate or sway in the plot in any

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significant way. Scenes roll into each other without any

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rhyme or reason, and it i i haven't watched the director's

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cut. I can't say they cut out footage that made it make sense.

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This movie is just a mess, and there's really not much else to

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say. Like, no, no, I know there's nothing else I can

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really say about it. What about you? Oh, yeah, this is a

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certified cap for me, even after all this time. I do remember

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when Ryan Reynolds kind of did the rewatch. It was like, it's

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not that bad. And like, you know, in some cases I would

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agree with him. Like, you know, if your movie is supposed to be

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about how Sinestro is the most well written, compelling

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character, and yes, it's not that bad, um, but everything

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else is just wow. Like, the the pacing seems so off, like, by

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the time that you're in the last like 45 minutes of the film,

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which is basically half the film, it just feels like you're

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just powering through on a lot of stuff. And it's it happens

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all super fast. The character motivations are basically

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absent. Like i I have no idea what purpose Tom was supposed to

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serve, or Tom Mike, right? Is he a man in the chair? He wasn't.

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He was in the chair for like, five seconds. And also, why was

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he not upset about losing his job? Also, when Hal did the

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thing, like, there's no like, you have this whole like story

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as crafted about how and Carol knew each other and how, even

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there's at some point where Hector, you know, have fallen in

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love with Carol since the first time he met her, even though

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this never told when that was but Tom Mike is just basically,

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like, here, like, he just, we don't know when he was hired.

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Why is it that he's friends with Hal even though he spends most

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of his time like, saying that, like, responsible Dude, you're

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an asshole. And it was like, okay, cool. Like, I have friends

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that joke around like that. But, like, it also seems like he was

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very serious about that. Like, it's not him calling out how for

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something wrong that he's doing, knowing that he could do better.

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It just seems like he just genuinely hates this dude. Yeah,

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yeah. Hector's whole motivation for destroying the world is he's

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just not getting any it felt like a random pivot towards the

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second half in the film, when, as you mentioned, like he is

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created out to be this character that does have a lot together

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for him. And I will just say to the main reason why this is a

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cap for me is in the superhero movie that you have a moment to

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talk about how the hero is stepping up to the challenge

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when he feels that he has lost the faith within himself, and

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the dialog is literally, I'm not fearless and being responded

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with, well, why aren't you? It's not, it's not like it's a state

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of mind. There's there's action. So I agree, if it was like more

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scenes in which they showed like why he felt he was afraid, it

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would have made more sense, because he kept saying it and

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told I believed him, but it never really came across that

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way. He failed upwards every single time. And calling it fail

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is a stretch, but between watching the Director's Cut and

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just the 13 years that have passed since this film has come

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out. Have you found anything that could explain well, why is

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it that Tom Michaels even in this

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Yes, on this edition of loose threads, it is. This is a rare

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overlap where the loose threads is my RT alteration. Um, because

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I did, I did the research for loose threads after writing down

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my RT alteration, and I was shocked that they were one in

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the same. So the original version of this movie did not

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have Hal Jordan. When Warner Brothers first green lit this

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movie, they were going to it was going to be called Green

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Lantern, Birth of a hero. It was green. It in 2007 and this movie

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would have starred actor Corey Reynolds. He's mainly known for

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closer fame as Jon Stewart, and he was also writing it, and it

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was going to be a trilogy. And the idea was they would

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introduce Jon Stewart first, and then how would be introduced in

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the second movie as a way to expand the universe. So they

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were going to build it off of Jon Stewart, which solves pretty

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much all of the problems of this movie. So I would that would be

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my main arte alteration, um, because I think, you know, in in

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movie history, we have times where the second versions of

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characters are used because they're just the more compelling

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versions. For example, Scott Lang is Ant Man, the thief who

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can shrink and get into everything, is just more

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interesting than another scientist in the current Marvel

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structure. So here, this is a fantastic example of, you know

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how Jordan is a great hero, and I'm not denying he's iconic. But

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if you want a really a Green Lantern story that pun intended

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shines, you go to Jon Stewart, someone who had to overcome fear

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as a soldier. And in certain versions of the story, he's gone

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back to a place where being put in those situations has given

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him PTSD, and he has a legitimate reason that is right

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in front of us why he struggles with fear and but still does it

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anyway. We already see that in his previous life, and it makes

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sense for him to take on a new life where he gets to do that

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once more on a larger scale. So unfortunately, the script was at

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the finish line. Warner Brothers liked it, and then they tossed

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it out, and they said, Greg Berlanti, Mark Guggenheim,

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Michael Green, get on here and write a brand new script while

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they were tossing out the other script. So that's mainly why all

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these cooks in the kitchen, from my understanding, they didn't

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take anything from Corey Reynolds version of Green

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Lantern. But what I can say is that during the development

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process, some names considered for Green Lantern, and they're

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going to get less likely as like Sam Bradley Cooper, okay, Justin

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Timberlake, ooh. Jared, Leto and Jack Black.

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I'm so glad that Jack Black chose Kung Fu Panda over this.

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And to conclude, loose threads, the trailer to this the original

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trailer to this movie was so poorly received that they

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dropped the marketing campaign and promoted the 2011 Green

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Lantern movie instead, damn. So this was just a crap shoot from

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the very beginning. Yep, they were like, You know what, the

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animated movie's pretty decent, right? We could, we could push

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forward with that? Because this one, 220 box office on a $200

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million budget. So huge, huge, huge bomb. Does any of this bomb

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have any roots in the comics besides the name Green Lantern?

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I will say probably about five minutes of this film, maybe even

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less. So, yes, there is obviously, this is an origin

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story of an iconic character, Hal Jordan's version of the

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Green Lantern. So I'm going to be real quick with this, because

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this movie is just like, basically just like, Hey, these

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are all characters that you could play around with, just

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throw them into the sandbox and create something. This is

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basically how it felt, like this movie was being treated based

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off the the history of Green Lantern. Because it's not like,

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even pulling from, like, the origin story of Hal Jordan as

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much, mainly because when Hal Jordan was first introduced in

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comics, that was back in 1959 his origin story is featured in

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showcase number 22 created by John Broome and Gil Kane, and in

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that story is literally called SOS Green Lantern. It's Hal

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meeting Aven sir. When Abin Sur crash lands on Earth. He's given

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the ring, to be honest, the explanation about how the ring

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works and what Hal needs to do to get it to work is way longer

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in the comics than it is in this movie. I'm wondering why that

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was the case, but I mean, choices were made, and he just

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immediately, just jumps into being a superhero. Knows how to

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use the ring almost immediately, and he never actually has to

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experience the same level of work that he had to do in this

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movie, like there's no Hector Hammond at all in his origin

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story. In fact, Hector Hammond doesn't get introduced into.

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Comics until two years later, once again created by the same

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creators in Greenland, turned number five, and in that story,

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he's written as a petty criminal who actually comes across a

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meteorite that gives him this this look and his abilities, and

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is said to be the same meteorite that is given to that is used to

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give Gorilla Grodd his his scent, his like super

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intelligence as well. Okay, stay away from that meteorite, I

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guess. Yeah, just don't touch things that fall from the sky,

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people. And I think the other big thing, I couldn't really

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find anything about Tom Mike, but we also know for Carol, she

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was also introduced in this showcase number 22 I would say

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she's probably the most like her character in this film, because

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she does end up running Ferris air, and it is kind of an origin

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story for her, about like how she's learning to become the CEO

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and take the reins. And even in that point, at the end of it's

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it's part now of this Compendium that's put together to

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reintroduce Green Lantern later on for fans. But in that

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original story, she decides that she doesn't want a relationship

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with Hal because she wants to focus on her career. And she's

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like, I need at least, like, two years. And I was like, that's a

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very specific amount of time, but if it's like, fiscal years

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and all that, you know, you want to improve your marriage and

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whatnot, totally fine. And then the other person that does come

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into play or being or thing that comes into play is parallax.

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Mike, yeah, again, I cannot find anything. At a later point, I'll

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try to see if I could find something. But parallax is

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nothing like he is in the movie. In the movie, they kind of

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created him as like a Galactus kind of figure in a way that

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just doesn't eat planets, but just eats people's fears and

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just leaves their carcasses behind, which gives me a whole

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that's a whole other conversation for another thing,

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because I did not know that by taking the fear out your body, I

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would just be left as a husk. That is, that's new. But

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parallax has two origins in comics. One is just the name,

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and it's the super villain name that how Jordan adopts, when His

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stories were being written by Daryl banks and Ron Mars, that

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turned him into the Green Lantern that was killing other

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Green Lanterns, and decided to take their rings so that he

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could compete with JLo for the number of rings collected in one

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period of time.

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And then in 2004 is when we get Green Lantern rebirth. This is

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when Jeff John's he basically revolutionizes DC for quite some

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time in the early 2000s to now, would work with Ethan Van Sciver

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to turn parallax into the entity that is plow that is, that's the

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embodiment of fear, and is the power source of the yellow

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lantern rings. And this was all just to retcon it so that Hal

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wasn't a person that a Green Lantern that turned evil. So

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they were trying to give back Hal the ring, the Green Lantern

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ring, and by showing that he didn't just turn evil. He

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actually was possessed by this being, very similarly to what we

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saw in the Green Lantern. Beware, my power tomorrow. Verse

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film. So those are that's like a pretty new introduction to kind

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of like who parallax is. Again, nothing like we saw in the film.

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A lot of these characters have very different origin stories

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and different things that play out for them. Hal never even had

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to compete against such a big threat until much later on, like

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really, into later latter 2000s is when he's, like, competing

ComicChams:

against parallax and other cosmic entities like that. For

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the most part, all of his adventures have been scientists

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who wants to use rocket and weapons technology to take over

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the world, and he's just realizing they all have some

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kind of connection to Ferris air. Oh, well, it's nice when

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your villains have a theme. Yeah. So that's really the story

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of how it's a pretty short story is not as compelling as we've

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talked about for like Jon Stewart. But the crazy thing

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about showcase number 22 is that it's often seen as like the

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beginning of this new era of DC Comics, because with the first

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set of comics to come out back in the 30s and 40s as well. So

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we did have a Green Lantern back then. This was Alan Scott. We

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also had a flash that wasn't Barry Allen, it was Jay Garrick.

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Superman was around, Batman was around. Still Clark Kent and

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Bruce Wayne, respectively. But eventually, as their stories

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would progress, they were written originally during times

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of war, so it was easy. Easy to draft these stories, because not

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that many, I would just assume, not that many people were just

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paying attention, because it's like we're dealing with a whole

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World War. So the stories can be pretty simplistic. A lot of it

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was just crime stuff, Thriller stuff, kind of little, little

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tidbits of like, just maybe magic or anything like that. But

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then, at the direction of the new head of DC, at that time,

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they decided to bring forth the Silver Age comics, and instead

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of it being Let's Reboot the stories of like Alan Scott and

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Jay Garrick. Let's create new characters under the moniker of

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these older characters and involve some sci fi element to

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them. So Green Lantern was the second one flash would be

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considered the first character to be reintroduced into the

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world to DC, under this super under this like more sci fi

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element. And then Green Lantern will be introduced into this

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whole concept of like space and like basically interstellar

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travel and this larger sense of, there's a world and

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civilizations that are out there that isn't our own. So they got

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really into that idea. We actually wouldn't even really

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meet this whole sense of this whole conceptualized idea of the

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Green Lantern Corps until much later. I would actually say that

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Jeff Johns is more so responsible for this, like,

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creation of like, what it actually looks like. Because

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most of the stories that do get told about the Green Lantern

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Corps is just like, hey, there's another one out there. Like,

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when John Broome and Gil Kane started taking the reins of

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writing Green Lantern. After the success from showcase number 22

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they started introducing characters like tomar Rey, and

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then eventually we'll get like Sinestro and kill awog, who will

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be introduced, showing that, like the Green Lanterns aren't

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just Hal Jordan is this much larger world. And it helped

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because even by a time when comic sales were declining,

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because everybody was just like, we're kind of tired of putting

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our heroes through these like crime, horror and romance

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stories. Now it's like, cool. There's like a world out there

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that we don't really know about, a space that we don't really

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know about, that these heroes are venturing into. And it

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probably also helped that, like given at this time in the 50s to

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the 60s, everything was about space travel. So they're like,

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what is out there? What wonders can we see? And it gave these

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comic book creators a chance to just create a world and

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characters and beings that, like people probably just fantasize

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what these aliens will look like, and now they're seeing us

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like, okay, here are some things of what to keep in mind for when

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you do see an alien. So with Green Lantern, he does

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revolutionize the idea of comics, and I would say the

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world of comics, and I'm assuming that maybe this is

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something that we're trying to do with this Ryan Reynolds movie

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as well, because looking at the timeline of what everything

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happens specifically about DC, we do have the Dark Knight that

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comes out, I think about 2007 or so eight. 2008 by that time, DC

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had not had any other real movies going on. There was

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Batman Begins. But prior to that, it was Catwoman, which

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was, you know, a failure. Prior to that steel, again, a failure.

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So now you have the only character in superhero

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storytelling from the DC side is someone who is involved directly

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in this crime and horror, that element that the comics from the

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past, they felt, where people were moving away from, and it's

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possible the same thing was happening here, where it's like,

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you see other people, other organizations are building out

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these like sci fi stories, 2000 the year 2000 kind of, like,

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changed everything of what we understood about technology. So

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now that we had all this new technology to mess around with,

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they were like, All right, let's probably experiment again with

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the Sci Fi element. And that's why we probably got this version

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of Green Lantern to be focused in on space travel, be focusing

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on cool looking ships, alien life forms larger than life,

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devastating entities, because it was trying to do what this comic

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did, and bring people back into the superhero storytelling. And

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that's my TED talk on comics and why I think Green Lantern tried

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to do something more, but unfortunately, we didn't have

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the willpower to stick around to recognize its efforts, even if I

ComicChams:

might just be putting in 10 on one. So Ryan Reynolds. If you

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agree with this, or would like to agree with it, please let us

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know. Give us a call. Get away for stepple, out of your pool of

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cash from Wolverine and Deadpool for a second. And, you know,

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give us a shout. Um, all right. So I mean, before we close, I

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have to always make sure that we given the fact that we've talked

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about the Green Lantern. Um, I gotta ask who's still your your

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top Green Lantern choice in this moment. Oh, to play, yeah. Oh,

ComicChams:

you know, it's an easy layup. I mean, it's, it's an unfair but,

ComicChams:

I mean, come on, let's just Michael. Michael B Jordan, go

ComicChams:

ahead. All right, go over there. Do you do a Green Lantern real

ComicChams:

quick. He's played a soldier multiple times. He has the

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presence. He knows he he understands a good comic book

ComicChams:

movie and a not so good one. So just, just, just let him cook

ComicChams:

this doesn't cook his Green Lantern. And alternatively,

ComicChams:

Aldous Hodge, we can forget you a hawk, man. It's fine. It's

ComicChams:

fine. I don't even remember. You just go do it. Not the rock, not

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the rock. Oh, not the rock. We can't bring him. There any DC

ComicChams:

movies, not John. Um, well, my choice would have been al

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discharge, and I do like Michael B Jordan. I have been thinking

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about, though, for kilowatt, um, and I am forgetting his name

ComicChams:

right now, off the tip of my tongue, but it is, have you ever

ComicChams:

seen the show sweet tooth? Yes, yes. The guy who plays Tommy

ComicChams:

jeopard Big Man, I would love for him to have a shot as

ComicChams:

kilowatt. I know exactly you're talking about. Yeah, I I will

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put it in the show notes as this is my unofficial, official fan

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casting of that character, because as we get closer to 2025

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we do know that DC is going to go through a major revolution on

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the storytelling that's there. We already know that the end of

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2024, we're already going to get creature Commandos, and they're

ComicChams:

already casted. Guy, Gardner, as you know, will be reprising his

ComicChams:

Green Lantern will be Nathan Fillion, so he's no longer Hal

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Jordan is that's going to be a shocking twist for everybody,

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but I'm excited to see what he's going to do. But we do know that

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they are creating that Green Lantern series. It has been

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officially greenlit. So I'm looking forward to whoever they

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cast in that television series, and I'm hoping that does well

ComicChams:

and it even matches up with the Corey Reynolds version that you

ComicChams:

were talking about, because I do know they were trying to treat

ComicChams:

it as more for buddy cop, and it would make so much sense if they

ComicChams:

were able to expand that story out. Yeah, you

ComicChams:

pitched space cops. Let's see some space cop stuff for once.

ComicChams:

Let's see it. Yes, if we can do Starship Troopers, we can do

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space cops, Green Lantern style. Okay, people, all right. So that

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wraps up our episode. We have reached our final stop here on

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the Ryan and Hugh road trip. Thank you all so much for

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joining us for this capercap edition, as we got a chance to

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really learn and see what these characters were like as they

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grew through time, and especially these actors.

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Because, you know, bringing to life what was Deadpool and

ComicChams:

Wolverine took a lot of work. It took almost our entire superhero

ComicChams:

movie watching experience to see those characters come to life on

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the big screen. So very happy that they were able to do that

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after this arduous journey that they had to go through. We are

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Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast
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Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast is the perfect place for dissecting superhero shows, movies, and their source material comics from a Black nerd's perspective.

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A Blerd from birth, Chamar is just a kid from Brooklyn who has always loved epic tales, art, and animation. Given that superheroes and cartoons have all three, he dived into this colorful world.

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