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14th Oct 2024

Once Upon a Deadpool (F is for Family F’n Friendly)

Join us for this latest installment of Cape or Cap, where we dive deep into Once Upon a Deadpool!

Today our "Ryan & Hugh Road Trip" cleans up its act with a visit to Once Upon A Deadpool —the edited, cleaned-up, family-friendly version of the box office success Deadpool 2 that explores Wade Wilson working alongside killers, assassins, and future men with cybernetic arms all in the hopes of building a family. We’ll break down the plot, dissect the characters, and tackle the big questions:

  • Is this good storytelling?
  • How does it compare to other films, comics, and larger narratives?
  • What was happening behind the scenes during the creation of this production and after its release?
  • And as always, is this a "cape" or a "cap"?

01:13:46 Cape or Cap Verdict

Referenced Materials:

  • New Mutants (1983) #98 by Rob Liefeld and Fabian Nicieza
  • Deadpool (2012) Vol 5 #19 by Gerry Duggan

Hosts: Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada

Producers: Chamar Griffith and Andrew Tejada

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gonna say Fire Fist a lot for because I figured that this

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might entice our one piece fans. So Fire Fist. Hi, I'm chamar

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Griffith and I'm Andrew Tejada. We're going through superhero

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productions to let you know if they're still fun or the hype

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around it was dumb on Cape or cap, a Black Nerd superhero

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Welcome to this week's installment of Cape or cap, a

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podcast.

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Black Nerd superhero podcast. My name is Chamar Griffith,

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codename ComicChams. And I am Andrew Tejada, codename Arete.

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Andrew and I have known each other since 1996 that was the

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year Ryan Reynolds appeared in the Sabrina, the Teenage Witch

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movie, not the series, the movie as hot guy. Seth, that's his

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name. That's his description on Wikipedia. Wow. You know, it's

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funny, because I was just thinking about it. For some

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reason I feel like Seth was a strong name back in the 90s. For

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some weird reason, yeah, that was, like, it was very, maybe,

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because close to the Egyptian set, you know, very, that's very

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big energy. And now, yeah, I don't, I know, like one. Seth,

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now, just one. He's cool. He's cool, though he's the best chef

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I know. Shout out to Seth, so that is a tongue twister, but

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yes, shout out to Seth, thank you for cooking up everything,

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especially hopefully you weren't inspired. Your name wasn't

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inspired by the Ryan Reynolds character, that one random

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Sabrina Teenage Witch movie. But in today's episode of our

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podcast, we are going to be focusing heavily on Ryan

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Reynolds, the man, the myth, the legend. I personally like him

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because he's he plays the same character in all of his stuff,

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so I appreciate the guy that could make that work. Hey, it's

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working. It's working from you don't if it ain't broke, but

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today we are talking about the character that is probably the

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most famous of his as we are talking about the third Deadpool

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movie that he made and produced, which is called Once upon a

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Deadpool. That's right, we are actually Deadpool actually has a

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four movie saga that is not a trilogy. There is actually a

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movie in between two and three. Yes, and technically, this is a

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two for one review, because we're actually, this is

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basically Deadpool two with some extra stuff. So it's, this is

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also a review of Deadpool two, yeah. So we had a runtime of 120

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minutes. This 2018 film had a very limited release. This is

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the first Deadpool movie that is actually rated PG 13, and it was

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directed by David Leach, who is the director behind such

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productions such as well the the original Deadpool too, uh, Fast

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and Furious, Hobbs and Shaw bullet train, atomic blonde and

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another recent great film, which is a great love letter to all

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the stunt work And stunt people out there who are doing the

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things to make us love these superhero movies and action

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movies as a whole. Fall Guy, yes, you can definitely tell

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it's a David leash movie, because while they do, you know,

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he is not afraid of CGI. He definitely tries to do as much

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in camera stunt work as possible. So definitely, if you

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somehow have not seen any of those, at least one. Go watch at

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least one of them. Yeah, I think, I think at some points

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this, all of these movies have played in various households of

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my I'm not rich. I just meant by like, hopping around to

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different family members each they haven't played in at least.

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Like two of these movies have played back to back in the house

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at any given point. And we got our rider duo here today. We got

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Rhett Reese, famous for putting together all three Deadpool

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movies, including the recent one, Deadpool and Wolverine.

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Don't worry, we're not going to be spoiling any of the film.

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I've seen it. Have you seen it? Yeah. Well, yeah, I've seen it.

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All I can spoil is, it is now the highest grossing R rated

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movie of all time. Yes, yes. It has beaten Joker. It has beaten

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Passion of the Christ. At the top of the I'm not gonna say the

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line from the movie. So, along with the Deadpool movies, Rhett

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also wrote for Zombieland, GI Joe Retaliation and for the kids

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in the audience, because today's film wants to play on Deadpool

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is a family film at rated at PG 13. He also wrote Tarzan two, as

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well as Clifford's really big movie, which is not. Live action

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movie, which I think you saw Andrew one time, and you said

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that it upsets you to your core. Oh, oh yeah, I've blocked it

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out. I've blocked out that movie almost completely that that one

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was, there's no time. I'm not getting that time back. And

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Rhett worked alongside, once again, Paul Wernick, who also

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wrote all the Deadpool movies, along with Rhett, as well as a

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lot of his claim to fame, which is basically Big Brother on Big

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Brother two, sorry on CBS. Oh the Sure, yeah. It was the most

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random thing. I was like, You know what? For a Deadpool movie,

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I would not expect less. Um, other fun thing about this

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movie, this movie is currently rated at a 56% on Rotten

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Tomatoes, and has a similar score amongst the audiences. And

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I guess it's more so because of the reason why they cut out a

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lot of the stuff that makes it rated R and changes the F word

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to family. Yeah. So it's a half and a half whether we're going

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to love it or hate it. It's this is ideal for a caper cap. Uh,

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right down the middle. Going to the cast list real quick. We got

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Ryan Reynolds. Is the Merc of the mouth, aka Deadpool, aka

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Wade Wilson. Uh, Josh Brolin was famous at this point amongst

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Marvel entirely during these years, because not only was he

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playing Thanos in The Avengers movies, he was also cable here

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in our movie today. Miranda bachern is Vanessa Carlisle. We

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know her more famously on the DC side, but she is here as the

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love interest for Deadpool. Julian Denison plays the

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embodiment of teenage rage as Russell aka Fire Fist. Stephen

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capichi is Colossus. This will be his second time returning

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into the role. TJ Miller operates the bar where Deadpool

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goes to get a drink at a couple times. So he's the quick tongue

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named character named weasel. Oh yes, and let's address this

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right away. We know he's canceled. We know. Oh, last news

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to me. TJ Miller, you're canceled. Yeah, it really

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started with him calling a false bomb threat on a train. Oh,

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that's something he did after that. Some other stuff came out,

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reports that weren't as substantiated, but he definitely

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did that train thing. Um, so he is, we don't he's canceled just,

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uh, as we go forward. Just wanted to let us let you know

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right away, all right, for the sake of this episode, then, uh,

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we will quickly pass by most of the his scenes. And if we need

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to reference who he is, we'll just go by weasel Next up,

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Brianna Hildebrand returns as Negasonic Teenage Warhead. The

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longest named character I feel like I've ever heard of. The

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only person that's beating her right now is bakugo in My Hero

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Academia. Honestly, we got Leslie Uggams as blind l Caron

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Sani as dopender, and finally, coming into this movie to help

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help the duo that we have here today, we have zazzy beats as

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Domino. All right, with that, let's put in some maximum effort

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and watch once upon the Deadpool. So we start

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differently from the original Deadpool two opens with an

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extended scene of violence, with the Yakuza and Deadpool slicing

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it up, but limbs go flying and blood goes not in the PG 13

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version. So instead, we open with Fred Savage tied to the

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bed. Um, and if, if you have not seen Princess Bride, Fred Savage

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was the kid in Princess Bride. The plot of that is that Fred

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Savage is sick and sick boy, and his grandpa reads him a story

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that he doesn't want at first, but then he gets into it. So

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Deadpool does a take on that by tying him to the bed, kidnapping

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Fred Savage and forcing him to listen to Deadpool, the story of

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Deadpool two read by Deadpool in this fake bedroom set. I do

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appreciate that, because I have never actually seeing the

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Princess Bride? I mean, it's, it's like, it's one of those

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things where it's like, if you didn't see it, right, when you

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were a kid, you you see it at age 30. It's one of the other

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number, yeah. So, yeah, that's, that's a brief rundown so you

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understand, like, what if you haven't seen Princess Bride? Now

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you know what they were making fun of the whole time. If you

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haven't, then again, I could see why some people immediately were

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like, what's going on?

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Um, also, sorry, I also forgot to mention the other crazy thing

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about this film. Um, technically, this is a Christmas

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film. Um, given the fact that was released around Christmas,

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all the advertisements had Christmas themes, we will see

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how much of a Christmas film this truly is. Um, as we

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continue on with Deadpool is introducing the fact that,

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because it's PG 13, they're cutting down a lot of stuff, um,

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the only even mentioning that the only F word that we're going

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to be using in this movie is Fred. So as we mentioned,

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opening up to how Deadpool two opened up. Deadpool has been

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operating now for about two years. He takes on the the

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acousa. He meets up with dopender, who drives him back

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the Pinder starts sharing a very heartfelt confession to Deadpool

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in which after the events of Deadpool one, so previously on

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Deadpool, Dopinder had locked up his love interest, the

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competition for his love interest inside the back of his

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car. And well, since this is PG 13, we'll just say that this

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person did not make it to the sequel. And he says that because

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of that, he has this newfound lust for being a part of what

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Deadpool does. So he wants to go out there and make a name for

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himself. So Deadpool, at first is against this, but eventually

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he's like, we'll figure something out. So as Deadpool

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heads out the car, he runs up to his apartment, where he's

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greeted by Vanessa, because today is their anniversary,

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after all the events that happened when they had

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separated, and now they're together again, and it's a

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wonderful thing where they engage in the kiss. And this is

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when Deadpool cuts back to Fred Savage, and it's waiting for him

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to say the line. I had to research this because, again,

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never saw Princess Bride. Yeah, I could chime in here, too.

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Okay, cool. I don't know what I'm talking about here. So the

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original Princess Bride, the story the grandfather reads to

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Fred Savage. It starts out as heavy focus on romance, but then

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it becomes adventure pirates, etc. So at the beginning, before

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we get to the adventure part, the grandfather mentioned the

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kiss between the two romantic leads, and Fred Savage goes, Is

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this a kissing story? Gross. So because Vanessa and Deadpool

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kiss, Deadpool was waiting for that line again. That's just, I

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don't fear out of it, but that's so now that they're celebrating

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their anniversary, they're thinking about, what's it going

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to look like for them to expand their family as they're just

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running jokes about what name they should have for their kid.

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The other thing, though, that does happen is, as Deadpool is

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warming up a pop tart while they're watching Barbra

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Streisand film and trying to figure out why Papa, can you

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hear me? Sounds very much like another Disney song, they

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immediately get attacked by the same group of people that

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Deadpool was trying to take out earlier in the film. Yes, and

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unfortunately, he uses all his knives before the last villain

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get there, gets there. He only has a butter knife, and it's not

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enough. He misses and Vanessa is shot dead. And this is probably

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one of my favorite cutaways to Fred Savage, where he just

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immediately screams, you fridged Vanessa. You know, in comic

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books, when they kill the female love interest, the development

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of the male. You did that, you did that. And it's a great

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discussion and a great lampshade because, yes, that's I think,

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anyone who has seen Deadpool two, one of the things that

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people have disagreed with on it is the decision to kill Vanessa

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off for character development, for the plot to happen. So it

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was nice to get a shot at that, but it did create a bit of a

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problem, because the joke, the joke is great, but it comes

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literally in the middle of her dying. So we go back and she's

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still dying. So tonally, it kind of ruins the the really gut, the

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gut punch you got in the original of that happening is

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kind of like because they put a joke right in the middle of it.

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Kind of loses its edge a bit. Yeah, I agree. I remember even

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watching the movie originally in theaters, and I remember my jaw

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drop because I was just like, man, we just spent the entire

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previous film of him working towards getting her back, in

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after putting himself through all this, all these things in

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order to, just to create a life of her. And you know, it gave

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Deadpool a strong sense of substance to me, even though it

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is one of the most comedic films you could probably watch. So,

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yeah, I agree this. Like. In the moment scene, I feel like it was

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better served for people like men like you mentioned that I

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already saw this happening. And obviously Wade Deadpool is very

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upset about this, so he starts chasing after the guy, very much

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like Peter Parker chasing after the guy that shot Uncle Ben um.

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And you know, you think in that moment, given the fact that

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Deadpool is an assassin, given the fact that Deadpool tends to

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have no regard for like the villa on the side of things, you

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think he will kill this guy. Instead, he embraces him in the

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rain, and then turns around to have him get thrown into a

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trunk, ultimately killing it, right? Yeah, as we know,

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Deadpool heals, so that doesn't really affect him at all, but

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it's a great, a great way to dispatch the enemy. And now Wade

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is devastated. Doesn't know what to do with his life, so he's

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just in the bar all the time with weasel. And this is where

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he makes the connection between, do you want to build a snowman?

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And gentle, and I, this is one of my favorite jokes. I'm glad

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that one made it into the final cut of this, because, yeah,

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it's, it's the same song. Go listen to it side by side, Papa.

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Can you hear me? Do you want to build us? Well, yep, yep, same

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thing. So this point, Wade is just floundering. He dopender

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and weasel can't cheer him up. He's just a disgusting mess.

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Even buck the the bar patron can't cheer him up, and I do.

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I'm glad they circle back to that in the later film about him

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not getting any speaking lines. So now just truly, truly lost

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Deadpool goes back to his old roommate, blind Al's apartment.

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Get some sugar as it's labeled happy sugar right above the cure

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for blindness, which is under the floorboards. Great, great

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callback. And they have a conversation, and Deadpool is

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just he doesn't really know how to go on, so he tries to do

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something about that. And we get several gag scenes here that

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weren't in the original film. You see a lot of references to

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Disney. There's like some characters from up, or at least

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like people who try to look like up characters that were in

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there. There's like him at a zoo talking with some kids and well,

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unfortunately, because of deadpool's Ridiculous healing

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factor, anything that he tries to do to himself, he just comes

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right back to it. So as he's like, you've seen all these,

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like Disney gag scenes taken to a whole new level, he ultimately

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decides the best thing to do is to do the same that we saw in

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the original film, just to head back to the apartment and just

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scorch Earth. The entire place that he's in. The explosion is

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enough to send him to the afterlife, it seems. And as he's

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floating into this like watery abyss. He comes to a point where

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he's standing and he sees off in the distance, in the very

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illuminated room, is Vanessa sitting on the chair looking

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outside, and he's thinking, this is this is how we're going to

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spend the rest of our time together in this afterlife

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place.

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Yeah, but unfortunately, he cannot cross the barrier to

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Vanessa, and Vanessa can only give him the hint that his heart

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needs to be in the right place. But that cryptic hint he go,

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he's launched back to life, where now Colossus is dragging

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him back to the X mansion and here classes, Yukio, Negasonic,

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Teenage Warhead, the only 3x Men they can't afford to have

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consistently on screen. They all try in their own ways to get

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Wade back, but Wade is just not convinced that he is worth the

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time and effort we do in the middle of this, while he's

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complaining about no X Men, get a fantastic cameo, probably one

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of the best cameo of all time, where he complains there's no X

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Men, and you turn around and in a room are a bunch of X Men from

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the new timeline, closing the door so that Deadpool doesn't

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find out about them. This must have been for Dark Phoenix that

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they were all assembled for, because I know they had to, like

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they had one day to run all these people over from one set

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to the other. So I think this is why they were shooting Dark

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Phoenix. So Dark Phoenix, it did contribute something positive.

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But. Much, that's your one thing. But now, as Wade is

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lamenting his he missed a chance for family, we're introducing

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another person who really is obsessed with family, and that

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is cable. Yeah, I almost thought you meant Dominic Toretto, but

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the vibes are similar, because we see that cable enters a room

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much like that similar scene where it's just a scorched earth

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department. We see that cable enters one as well, and he picks

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up a little dusty, burnt up doll. It's a little bear, and as

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he picks it up, he attaches it to his gear, he uses his time

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travel device and lets out this huge screen, creating now I will

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just call the Terminator two effect of this movie, where

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basically it's just like he will eventually pop back into the

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past. He'll meet some people, and we'll steal some stuff from

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them. But before all that happens, of course, Wade is

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trying to learn what it's like to to live again. He experiences

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much of the domestic life. He starts learning about labeling

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foods in the fridge. He even gives Colossus some new soap

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that he tells him that if he Well, because this is a PG 13

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film, I can say it, if he pumps real hard, he'll get what he

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needs to get. I can't believe that joke made it into the PG

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13. That's what I'm thinking about, especially when you find

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out further later about what was actually in that thing. Yeah,

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and I do like, also this cutaway here, there's a Fred Savage who

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is like Kate. He gets so excited about cable he breaks down his

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origin. I hesitate to say this, but maybe even faster than you

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could. You hear me, Fred Savage, I'm pulling you out right now.

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We're going to do is a speed run through of origin story. But

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that's also a great meta joke that Fred Savage is really

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excited about diving into the origins of cable, which they

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actually don't do in this movie because it would, I don't even

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know how they would be able to do it without confusing the

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audience a lot. So yeah, you would need at least 19 years of

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X Men films in order to properly and we missed our chance,

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people. The window is closed. But in any case, back back with

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Deadpool, he is asked to go on a mission with Colossus and

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Negasonic, and it is to stop a kid who's calling himself

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firefist from just burning everything around him at this

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really creepy looking orphanage. And Deadpool arrives, decides to

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take the lead, and as he is going up to talk to the kid,

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it's here where I realized one advantage of deadpool's costume

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is it's extremely easy to overdub lines, because there are

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some lines in the original that like, oh yeah, he said this, but

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very easy with The suit to just put in, what a PG 13 friendly

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version of the line. Real big advantage they had here, also

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for the algorithm, real quick, I'm just going to say Fire Fist

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a lot, because I figured that this might entice r1 piece fans.

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So during the time in which Fire Fist is fighting against the X

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Men, of course, he is firefist and solos a lot of these

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characters, because they're not expecting for a teenage firefist

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to basically knock them around. A lot the people in the

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orphanage are trying to trying to calm him down. The orphanage

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is actually called the Essex Corporation. It's labeled as a

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mutant re Education Center. I'm I know that this is a reference,

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and I'm seeing a lot of Mr. Sinister when I was thinking

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about this. Unfortunately, I didn't do too much of a deep

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dive on this, but I know that this is definitely, it feels

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like a connection to that. So as Fire Fist is able to take out

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basically Colossus, negatonic Teenage Warhead. And even since

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Deadpool flying, where we see another cameo of Hugh Jackman on

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a Wheaties box, um Deadpool is able to use his sword as a spear

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in order to hit fire fist in the face, and this allows for it

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was, it was just a hilt. Oh, this is PG 13 film. So it was

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just a hilt. It was the same in the rated R film too, because

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that pool don't kill kids. Yeah, it's not this time. So as he is

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able to calm down five. Firefist, and he's receiving the

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praises of the crowd. Deadpool is loving it. He does know this,

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though, that on Russell's neck, there seems to be some bruises,

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especially around the collar, the power suppressing collar

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that they give him. So this is when Deadpool is just like, You

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know what, as an X Men trainee, which is also a running joke

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throughout this particular scene, he decides that the best

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thing to do is to unalive as many people connected to the

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Essex Corporation as possible, because clearly they are

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torturing fire fists here at the facility. This leads to Deadpool

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being taken out by Colossus and power suppressing collars also

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placed on Deadpool, so the two of them are now being

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transported to the icebox. Yes, and this is one of the main

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points where it's obvious that they have done creative edits

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and cuts, probably like pre blood spurt CGI, because when he

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does kill people at the facility Deadpool, it is bloodless and

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not headshots. So as they're going to prison, we get cable

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coming back, coming back to this time period from the future. And

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you, and if you did miss this, it's it's completely fine, but

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the trucker talking about wiping and toilet paper, that's Matt

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Damon. You guys missed that because he's under a lot of

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makeup, so he steals the car to head into town. Question about

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that? Yeah, is so that's Matt Damon. Was the other guy. Alan

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tooth, yes, yes. Okay, yeah. Love these guys because they're

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always, they're always so willing to use prosthetics. I

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love these guys, yeah, and they, it's such a random conversation

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that I think they shorten because it goes on for a long

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time the original. So we get back to the prison where, uh,

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Russell is really obsessed with trying to kill everyone who

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wronged him, and Deadpool really doesn't want any part of it.

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He's with the power suppressor. His cancer is coming back

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aggressively, so he's just kind of wanting to be left alone it.

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And even though Russell really thinks he's good, Deadpool is

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like, without this collar on, I'm I have no powers. I'm

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basically Hawkeye to the nothing great, one of the great, sorry

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man. Um, and this is where they just start having trouble. In

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prison, black Tom Cassidy, who is not black, we want to

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clarify, attacks them. And after getting beaten to a pulp,

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Deadpool says, Hey, while you're here trying to make some new

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friends, it's advice that Russell will remember. You know,

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in those Telltale Games, Russell will remember that he does. But

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right now they don't have time, because cable is here.

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Yeah, he enters with a full on force, with the it's, honestly,

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it's a great entry. I think it's just seeing it's a great entry

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for a character as well, because even though we have seen the

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scene where he just got and I picked up the doll and did all

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that things, you saw the man, but here we're seeing the the

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character, the fictional character, the superpowered

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individual, and he's just showing everybody in this as

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like he has a mission, and that mission is To kill firefist. So

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this is when Deadpool at first is like, I'm well, I don't know

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if I should, but he does remember, during a fight scene

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that he does have with cable that maybe this is what Vanessa

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meant by his heart not being into it and like the idea of

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family and everything. So after making some quick jokes about

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how cable is too dark, as he's sure that he's not from the DC

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Universe, and also, there's an extensive dubstep fight sequence

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that uses bangarang by Skrillex. I know this because that song

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took over for five years, like 10 years ago. Um, it was a lot.

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This song was everywhere, but it is a great fight every YouTube

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video now that I'm thinking of it like every YouTube video

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ended like that. It was like, did you really make it? If you

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did it as bangarang by Skrillex onto yours. Yeah. Years. So as

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Deadpool has this extensive fight scene, the collar that he

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has also gets broken off. So it does give him a bit of his

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healing abilities back. We do see Deadpool get folded in

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different ways for the comical sense of things a. Um, literally

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and figuratively, yes, and it then eventually leads into, uh,

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cable and Deadpool blasting a hole through the wall, and

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basically, not quite, but should have causing an avalanche, um,

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from where they were and because, thankfully, once again,

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Deadpool has this healing factor, but it was at a point

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where he was very close to death. He sees Vanessa, and

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Vanessa tells him that she he has to save the kid in some way,

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shape or form. Yes, so this, um, this inspires Deadpool thinking

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about the odds against cable while he's talking to weasel and

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Dopinder. They're not only against cable, but they're up a

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whole against a whole force of soldiers transporting these

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mutants. So decide we need a team. We need some kind of

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Suicide Squad. No, they don't say that in the movie, but oh my

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god, yeah, this movie the perfect time to use that phrase.

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What are we some kind of since that's so he decides to unite DX

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force, and this is a great scene of where we have a bunch of

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characters coming in and advertising. Also another one of

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my top jokes from this movie, where do Pinder tries to get on

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the team, and they're like, what's your sewer power? And he

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pauses and he says, courage. Just a great, great joke. And

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the montage is, is also good Bedlam, being able to distort

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your the fields, electric fields, and cause nausea. Who's

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acidic guy? Who the acidic? I want to call him spit Viper, but

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I know that's not right. It's Bill Skarsgard. That was a

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surprising because I was just like, Terry Cruz, I can

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definitely see, but Bill Skarsgard, like, what? Yeah,

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his, his thing is shooting acidic vomit, and it's just

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like, yeah, we've all been to Arby's. I just had to get that

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joke out, because I will not be sponsored by Arby's because I

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just refuse. I'm sorry. Okay, let me, let me just cancel that

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meeting I have with them. I don't want the meats, all right,

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I don't want them. Oh my gosh. We also get a shatter star from

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Mojo world that that that's a lot. I'm just gonna say that,

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because I feel like that's a lot to introduce into this podcast.

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Just watch X Men 97 you'll get a sense of mojo world. But my

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favorite is definitely banisher. Oh yeah, what other monolog the

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screen presence that banisher had amazing just chef's kiss all

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the way around. Um, in during this montage, we also get two

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quick, yet important scenes that Russell sneaks into a cell

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containing the biggest person in the prison and gives them a

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pudding, making an alliance. And we also get, uh, cable capturing

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weasel. And he gives his great cable, you know, Josh Brolin, so

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you know, he can give a great, intimidating speech, and he's

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going about all the way he's going to torture weasel, you

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know, saying he's going to work through the levels of pain that

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you can experience, and we're going to work through it

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together. And weasel immediately folds immediately, I will tell

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you every I'll tell you everything, but except that

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where they are. And he just grunts, and he goes, All right,

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let me tell you exactly where they're going to be at what

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time. Also, there's a wind advisory. Oh my gosh, it's a

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great thing. I think that was one of my favorite scenes of

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this film. Just because, like, you always get these, like,

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especially in these, like, tough guys superhero kind of stuff,

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you always get, like, the torture scene. And it's like,

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yeah, man, I didn't break or nothing like that, and this guy

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immediately folded. I loved it. It was a nice change of pace.

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When, when we when we originally saw it, and even now today, um,

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so speaking of that wind advisory, though, we also have

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two other characters who are part of the team, who are domino

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played by Zazi beats, as I mentioned, great back and forth

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between the two of them, because her and Deadpool, because it

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really does come into question. Is luck a superpower? We will

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find out that it is. And of course, the iconic man himself,

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which I gotta commend him, because I was not expecting his

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presence. Peter, who basically is just like, You know what I

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saw the ad. Here's my headshot. Looks nothing like me, but you

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know what? We're gonna You're gonna love having me on this

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team. And, yeah, he qualifies you. He does, He beats out

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dopender for a role on the team. And this is, of course, one of

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the Best Comedic introductions of a team ever, because they

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jump out of a plane to get to the convoy, but because of that

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wind advisory, they all immediately are blown all over

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the place. Most of them die in horrific ways. Vanisher, when he

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hits the electric lines, it's revealed that vanisher is

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actually Brad Pitt, which Fred Savage is like. How the hell did

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you get Brad Pitt and Matt Damon in this movie? And they go on a

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very long tangent about fighting Matt Damon, which, oh, they'll

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either love or hate. I, I love to see I will say it didn't run

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a bit too long, but oh my gosh, it is perfect. I definitely

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whoever's listening out there, please get me one of those, like

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sensor beat things. I think they're like five bucks. If

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you're willing to spend five bucks on my enjoyment, I would

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very much appreciate it. It's one of those that goes on for so

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long it becomes funny again, or you again, or you just hated it

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the whole time. So pretty much everyone dies horrifically. In

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wood chippers, in helicopter blades crashing into busses,

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except for Domino and Deadpool, who are the only ones to survive

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this vicious attack. Oh, Peter also dies getting acid breath

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Arby's on him in the middle of it. But now Domino and Deadpool

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are off to stop the convoy in the middle of and cable arrives

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to attack. And another fun fact is that during when cable is

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throwing out prisoners out of the convoy to try to stop

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Deadpool from getting on, one of the prisoners he throws out is

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the director of the movie, David Leach. Is the first prisoner to

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be thrown onto the street. So again, this movie is still full

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of like fun Easter eggs in the casting that you'll blink and

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you'll miss them. Another person who gets thrown out,

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unfortunately, is black, Tom Cassidy, which now creates the

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fact, according to Deadpool, that cable is racist. It's an A

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plus joke for no reason. So as they're driving around, domino

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tries to help. There's also a great scene in which I think, I

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don't know if this was the intention, but it did seem very

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similar, in which cable does shoot repeatedly at Deadpool,

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and Deadpool uses a similar sword swing as he did to India.

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What was it? X Men, origins of Wolverine movie, when everybody

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was shooting at him. So there's that one point in which he tries

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to show that he can slice the bullet. Unfortunately, it does

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not work, and they and Kate and Deadpool just basically gets

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shot completely up.

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And then Domino is able to do something to the truck to make

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sure that it doesn't hit too many either parked cars or cars

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with passengers, because luck is a superpower that definitely

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works. And I'm not saying that sarcastically. I love the fact

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that that was a superpower that actually worked. Fortunately,

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they were able to crash or turn the truck over. They once

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they're all flown out from it. We do see that the last person

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who was in that truck who hadn't gotten thrown out was the new

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friend that Russell had made. The biggest man in the X Men,

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scope of things, not the biggest man in the universe, because we

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got Galactus, but whatnot. But my digress, the biggest X Men

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villain I think we've ever seen the Juggernaut yes, no, no.

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Vinnie Jones, Apocalypse, I'm the Juggernaut bitch here. No,

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no, no. Small people here. It's I'm the Vinny Jones is small,

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but not juggernaut size. Our most jacked character arrives

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and immediately rips Deadpool in half. Literally, the they this

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is one of the smartest PG 13 cuts they do, because in the

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original you see entrails and blood and everything. But here

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they cut right to Fred, savage as the RIP is happening, so it's

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less distracting that you don't see it. So Russ as Russ goes for

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revenge, Deadpool and his friends reconvene at blind owls.

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That's the movie's name, not mine. So just want to clarify

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everyone. And as it's revealed that Deadpool is growing baby

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legs through. Replaced the legs he had lost. And this is where

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Fred Savage brings up a really good question that was not

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addressed in the original film, yeah, so if you rip Deadpool in

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half, given his regenerative ability, does that mean that

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there are now two deadpools. Like, if the top half is the one

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we're continuing the story with, does the bottom half continue to

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grow and regenerate as well, meaning that there's a Deadpool

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out there with their own adventures. Also, it like, to

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what extent are we talking about this? Because it's like, how

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many deadpools can we? Can we get in one film if he just

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continues getting ripped in half? It's a question that even

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Deadpool doesn't even have the answer to. Yeah, it's just just

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an example of the shoddy, lazy writing, but it's really great

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gag, and it quickly is followed by another gag that they

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shortened for the PG 13 movie for a lot of reasons, where

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Deadpool uncrosses his leg like basic instinct. If you haven't

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seen that, I understand it's a very old movie for most of us.

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Somehow, actually, I saw that, but not the Princess Bride.

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That's a weird programming schedule. Blame. I blame channel

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11 and picks. I don't know. This is when cable shows up. Another

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great gag of cable showing up. And as Deadpool is talking about

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cable, he goes to dopender. He's right behind you, isn't he, and

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they turn and see, you know, a good take on the joke, and cable

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reveals that in the future, Russ, after killing the people

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who abused him, goes on to become a homicidal maniac and

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ends up killing cable's wife and daughter as revenge for cable

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trying to Take out Russell. So you know, this is a great

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parallel between cable and Deadpool. Both of them were

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killing people, or at least using force to take out people,

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and then their enemies eventually caught up with them

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and destroyed their families. So this immediately creates,

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despite everything that's happened between the two,

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Deadpool can at least understand where cable is coming from right

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now, so he agrees to help on a condition. Yeah, I just want to

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say too, the main other reason why I love this scene is that

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it's scored to the sun will come out tomorrow. I just thought

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that was just a clever take, and it's done in this like child

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like Wonder I have, I have a thing where I don't like where

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in the movie there's like the children are singing these like

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songs and these very like dark events, creeps me the heck out.

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And like that, to me, added so much more of a scare factor in

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this film, that this entire time, when watching Russell in

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this whole experience that he was in with Deadpool, I was

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like, Oh, well, you know, maybe he's not going to be that bad as

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whatever. He's just this kid trying to learn how to navigate

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the world after everybody had thrown the worst at him. And

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then you see what that turns out to be. And I think this was made

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specifically for people like me who, like they hear, like the

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children singing the songs and the creepy scenarios, and just

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like we're gonna intensify the fear and the danger that's

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coming with this scene. So I think that tying having that

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particular scene. And as you mentioned, tying the fact that

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it's just like how similar cable and Deadpool stories are, it was

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to me, a masterclass in like, showing how much of a force that

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Russell is. Because not only is he just like connecting these

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two individuals now, but he's also creating a true villain for

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this movie when we never even saw him as a villain. Yeah, it's

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really, it's a really brilliant of, like a nature versus nurture

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thing. And, you know, even though the first movie was all

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about whether Deadpool could be a hero or not, and ultimately,

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the decision was he is a killer. He's not exactly a hero, but

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he's not a villain either. He's not something, someone they have

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to worry about as much. So it's a great it's a great evolution

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for his character to in this movie. Have to deal with someone

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who also is right on the precipice of going bad or good.

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So it's really good that he is here to mentor that kind of

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person. It's a really great evolution of the character, and

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shows how really, even though it does seem like a silly parody

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movie on the surface, they really did think about what's

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the next step for his character, and that's to meet other

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killers. Dollars and see if he can guide them on the right

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path, which is kind of, you know, the running theme of

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deadpool's movies, to make people be the best versions of

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themselves by, you know, letting their reservations down a little

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bit. So even though he is has that power when he tries to

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appeal to Colossus to help. Colossus doesn't want to jump

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in. He's tired of Wade's nonsense. And even though cable

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has even agreed to give Deadpool 30 seconds to try to save

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Russell, he's not for it. So they decide to go by themselves.

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Now it's Deadpool, Dopinder, Domino and cable. And here's a

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little preview of Deadpool and Wolverine, because Deadpool and

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cable have some great banter, and just watch it. It's just the

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whole conversation is great, alluding to cable's racism, his

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comic book height. It's just like, listen, cable your cap.

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Okay, we know this. I also love the fact that Domino was backing

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up cable like, speaking as a black person in the room think

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he's racist. It's, it's such a great I think I'm, I would love

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to see them on screen more, just because I feel like the dynamic

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that they have. It's, you know, a lot of it is definitely

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influenced by Ryan Reynolds just basically saying, Whatever comes

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to mind, at least, I'm assuming what comes to mind, but I do

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love the fact that you have people that can hear that, and

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it's just like we I will give you either a very serious

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answer, or I'm going to try and one up you and just like the

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going back and forth, I think is what drew me into thinking like

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this. These characters are they're great. They're great

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together. They're not even just characters, but the actors are

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great together in the scene, even just like including

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Dopinder in the mix was just a lot of fun as they now reach

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back to the Essex location, and now they're realizing that

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Russell as firefist fully realized. Firefist has decided

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to team up with Juggernaut, and their goal is to basically take

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out every single person in this building. This is going to be

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Russell's villain origin story. His goal is to kill the

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headmaster of the entire place, and he knows that right now, the

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fight is, how can we stop as mentioned, how can we stop that

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one person from their first kill? Because once they once

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that happens, it's all over, and they all gear up, they

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immediately start running out the car. There's some awesome

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sound in music that's playing in the background. You're running

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in slow mo. It's slow mo that takes an a reasonable amount of

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time not talking one of those, like we're going to turn the two

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hour film into three hours just because it's a Director's Cut.

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Sorry, I might have a little bit of anger towards a particular re

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release film. He's talking about rebel moon. Rebel. Moon

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everywhere. He was already a director's cup. We don't need

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another one. Um, also, guys appreciate that Dopinder joins

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in on the mix he is running through. Unfortunately, though,

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because Juggernaut is there to stop them, this is what leads

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into we need more help. So they call it the second most Jack

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character in this movie to make an appearance, and he's ready to

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rumble. Yes, Colossus versus Juggernaut, honestly, probably

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one of the best CGI versus CGI battles as Deadpool would say

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himself in superhero movies, in in, I would say the decade. I

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think it's, it's really, a really good match of powers and

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this brawl, it's just a straight up brawl between two, two big

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jacked dudes. And ironically, I love this little irony of the

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movie that Deadpool and cable to try to get Russell to stop from

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killing. Kill a lot of people, a lot of bad guys, to get to

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Russell eventually, through a little the magic of electricity.

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And if you've seen the first episode of the boys, that's how

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they defeat juggernaut. Here, with electricity and some water

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and Deadpool, gets to Russ Russell and is trying to talk

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Russell down, but Russell is just not coming down. So as an

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extreme measure, Deadpool puts on a mutant suppressing collar.

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So now Russell knows he's completely vulnerable, but when

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it still seems like it's going to go, South Gable goes to shoot

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Russell, but Deadpool takes the bull. It, yeah, and here we get

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a chance to see the one scene, the one death scene that lasts

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longer than Yodas Dez pool is just telling everyone his final

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wishes and all that. Even tells cable that he hopes that one day

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that He will judge people by the content their skin and not the

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color of their sorry, not the color of their skin. Says hi to

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Yukio one last time, and as he finally passes, we see that

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Deadpool has finally made it into the afterlife. He is next

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to Vanessa now they have their embrace, but then back into the

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land of the living cable, who using his time device he he does

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know that this is the last time he can use this. So he turns on

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the time device to trans take himself back to the beginning of

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when they were in the car, and this is when Vanessa tells

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Deadpool is still not your time. You got to go back and be there

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for your family. And it's this new family that he's built here.

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Now, not just not the X Force, it's, it's literally this family

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that he has with cable, domino Colossus and brussel even so,

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with Deadpool now coming back to life, because cable, in the

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past, apparently takes the ski ball token that given Deadpool

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gave it to Vanessa for their anniversary, for their one year

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anniversary, Deadpool held on to it after Vanessa's death. Cable

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stole it during their fight in the icebox, and cable placed it

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back into the exact spot where he knew he was going to shoot

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Deadpool in the future. So he made sure to place it there, and

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because it was straight led, thankfully, was on Deadpool,

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because I'm pretty sure that could have caused many harm to

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any other person. The bullet is stopped, and now Deadpool is

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alive. Knowing that cable went back in time to make this

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change, he's hoping, even for cable, that his family is going

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to be okay, and we get that confirmation when the little

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bear that he had connected to his body, which was his

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daughter's, is now, instead of it being the burnt bear that is

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missing some things, is now a fully clean bear, like as was

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dipped in a bathtub full of Dawn soap. Yes. So the future is now

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changed, and he'll cable says, You know what? I'm going to

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stick around to make sure that it stays that way. Group now

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walks away as a fully formed family in an hilarious Easter

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little note, Dopinder accidentally kills the villain

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of the movie instead of instead of Fire Fist, so thus no one

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gets away scot free. Here we cut straight back to Fred Savage,

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and this is where Deadpool says, hey, they're going to be a

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couple post credit scenes. And Fred Savage and Deadpool kind of

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geek out over the post credit scenes. Famously, in this post

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credit scene, the Time Machine is fixed by Yukio and Negasonic,

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so Deadpool is able to go back in time save Vanessa. He's able

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to save Peter. Good thing, because Peter is a huge

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character later on, and to really for us, he kills the

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origins version of Deadpool and kills the Ryan, Ryan Reynolds,

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who would have signed on to Green Lantern, yes, and that's

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it. That's what how our film wraps up in a very touching note

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for the fans. Um, with that now, we have to determine if

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Deadpool, once upon, the Deadpool has earned its cape, or

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is this movie a Chris Evans, AKA a cap? Yes. I will also mention,

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uh, the true ending is that uh, Fred Savage is cut from his bed,

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and since he's his legs, he's been asleep for three days. He

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collapses almost instantly, and that's the last scene of the

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movie. Also, he had no pants. He's naked from the waist down,

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like Winnie the Pooh. Yes, but is it cape or cap? I am going to

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say cape. Actually, I think I do. Think I'll get it, I'll

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address the the Fred Savage in the room. Does the framing

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device work? Yes, and no, uh, there are times when it really

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does enhance the movie. And it's kind of, it is fun to hear Fred

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Savage's come. Comments. And there are times like where we

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mentioned before with Vanessa, where it does get a little

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distracting for them to stop the movie, to cut in. I think if I

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was going to do an RT alteration on the framing device, I would

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have it be more of a director's commentary, where they would be

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able to chime in at any time and talk over some of the events of

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the movie after they established this frame exists, rather than

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cut away to Fred Savage, I get why they did it and the

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temptation, and they still could find the best of both worlds,

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but I think it might have worked a little bit better as a

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director's commentary setup. But honestly, the thing that makes

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me like this version of it is it's more focused. I think in

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the original Deadpool two, we have the themes of family and

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togetherness and everything, and it's really it's there, but

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there are a lot of R rated jokes and gags that go on for a bit

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and kind of distract it here. I feel like it's more streamlined

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that the line to Deadpool wanting a family to losing that

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family and gaining it again. I feel like because they had to

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cut out a lot of really raunchy gags and blood we get to that

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line so much faster. And sure we do lose some jokes that that is

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definitely no argument there. But honestly, the best jokes

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that I remember from Deadpool two are still here, and I don't

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miss the blood and gore as much. Of course, that is a main appeal

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of these movies. And I'm not saying, you know, Deadpool two

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is worse or but I'm, I do think this is a streamlined story that

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moves a little bit quicker. And my, my third thing I want to say

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is that I think that if you're if somebody has not watched any

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of the Deadpool and one who watched Deadpool and Wolverine,

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they should watch this version of Deadpool two, because they it

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skips all the jokes about Logan, mainly in this version. And I

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think it kind of if you're watching them in succession, and

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you kind of don't want to blow the Logan jokes early. This is a

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good place to watch it, because they they only mentioned Logan a

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couple of times, and you're going to get a lot of Logan in

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three. So overall, I hesitate to say it's a better version of

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Deadpool two, but I would say it is a streamlined and more

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focused version, with some notable, notable parts where it

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gets a little distracted by itself. But I think it's a solid

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version of this movie. I know that's not a popular opinion,

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but I I kind of like this version about you. Yeah,

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that's that's interesting, the way to put it, because I did

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feel very similar. I was just like, I felt like the pacing was

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very different compared to when I first watched it. And I

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thought maybe it was like, oh, because of the intersection of

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like, Fred Savage coming in and just saying, like, let's

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reiterate what we just saw, just so that there's a clear

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understanding of it. But I agree. I think it's a much more

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of a streamlined movie. I would say that this is still because,

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just because, like, I've always felt like Deadpool two, um, was

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a pretty strong film when it came to, like, given this his

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particular story, I would say that it is also okay for me. Um,

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the only reason why I will give it a cap rating is because it's

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not a Christmas film in any way, shape or form. This is the thing

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that upset me the most, because, like, I was just like, you have

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an opportunity, given the fact that this film was released on

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Christmas. If you're seeing all the ads, it is very Christmassy.

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And even some of the imagery in these in the commercials, and

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the ads and the trailers for it were Christmas themed. So to

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watch this movie, and there's not like anything related at all

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to the holiday season, is a little weird, and it feels like

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it was more focused on, like, we know that this is coming out

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around Christmas. Let's just play into that. And, like, just

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trick the parent to have kids that wanted to see death pool,

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but I first were told no, so I would have expected if it was a

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little different, like, maybe incorporate even some lights or,

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you know, just treat it more, because it's not the first time

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in which, like in a Christmas movie, where an elderly person

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is reading a story to the younger child. I think one of my

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favorite ones I'm thinking about right now is jingle jangle,

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whereas you just have Felicia Rashad who is reading the story,

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and it's like you it's basically the same. Same thing, just

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replace the scenario, give it a bit more of a holiday feel. If

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you were going to market this as a Christmas movie, because

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there's, there's not even a mention of what time of year

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this takes place in so this is, yeah, it's a cape for

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storytelling. It's a cape for the additions some gag scenes

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did seem a little extra, but I did appreciate the fact that it

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came right at the height of when Disney had bought Marvel. So

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there were a lot of bit more like Disney references than it,

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because it was like, we can now say these things because, or,

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sorry, not Marvel, but Fox, or, I mean, Disney owns everything,

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so it was right at the moment where they could easily say a

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lot of the things I feel popped up more so in this version than

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it did in Deadpool two. Yeah. But I would just say the My main

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issue with it, it's not a Christmas movie in any way,

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shape or form. It did not make sense to market it as such. It's

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not a Christmas movie at all. It did not make any sense to me to

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market it as that way. I would have just enjoyed this movie as

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just like, let's just give it a kid version story of the

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Deadpool two movie. I think that as parents who probably have

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kids that know and they know that their kid is too young to

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watch this kind of content, I think they would appreciate it.

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I haven't seen The Princess Bride, but I did appreciate the

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interjections from Fred Savage. And I do agree, I think that it

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would have been better if it was more like a director's

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commentary, where it's just like, you have the opening scene

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of Fred Savage and then you just have scenes of him and Deadpool

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talking over certain things, like even treat it was just

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like, let's add in like a pause feature. Like, we see cable pop

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up and you just see, like, the VCR kind of stopped. It's just

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like, and it's like, Wait a minute. You guys got cable in

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this thing and just have it play around with that. I think the

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going back and forth in between the different stories does take

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a little bit out of it, and that's from hearing from how you

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describe the Princess Bride. I could see why they tried to do

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that. But I feel like, don't mark it as a Christmas movie and

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give us less back and forth between Fred Savage and the

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original film. Like, just give, give the movie to us, just

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straight as is. But overall, a cape for me. Um, I would

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definitely be showing like, definitely not like my 10 year

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old. I don't have a 10 year old, but I was like, I would not show

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my 10 year old this movie, but I would feel more comfortable if,

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like, my 13 year old, who hasn't experienced R rated films with

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like blood and gore, had never seen something like this, I

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would be okay with them watching this nice, well said, well said.

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And I think I can explain some of it in a section. I working

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title for the section, but when I go behind the scenes, I'm

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going to call it loose threads, tentatively, loose threads

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because, you know, Cape theme threads, sewing so loose

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threads. About this movie. I like that, because caps could

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also have loose threads. Yeah. All right, there you go. All

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right. Thank you for justifying this so you, you did make a

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great point. Why is this marketed as a Christmas film

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when there's nothing Christmas in it. Well, this movie was not

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supposed to exist. Quite simply, the re the main reason, again,

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this is speculation. Fox has not confirmed any of what I'm about

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to say, but I'm going to put the facts out and let you guys

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figure it out for yourself. It sounds like a conspiracy, but

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no, it's just the fact. So, originally, in December, Fox was

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supposed to release Alita Battle Angel. However, it was not ready

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to be released in cinemas, leaving Fox with a big Christmas

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slot and nothing to do. Deadpool two had done fairly well that

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year, so what they decided was, why not release a cut of

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Deadpool two in that slot that we have, but we can't just

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rerelease it. Nobody would see it. They decided to recut it

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down to a PG 13, in the hopes that regions that never got to

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see Deadpool two because of the mature content, might be able to

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see it, such as China, who had not approved the first version

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of the film. So the hope was to expand the film into different

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territories and also pull people back into the theaters who had

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already seen it, in hopes they would give them money again to

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see it in theaters. Ryan Reynolds said he was not a he

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wasn't initially into the idea, but he agreed to it on the basis

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that Fox would donate $1 from every ticket sold to the fudge

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Cancer Foundation. So he did. This was a charitable movie,

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and, you know, in spirit Christmas. But because this

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happened very rapidly, Fred Savage's scenes were only all

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filmed in one. Day one sitting, they had to get Fred Savage in

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so that's a big reason why, I think they didn't try too hard

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to push a Christmas theme. I think also back to the

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territories thing. I think they also wanted to avoid attaching

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it to a Christian holiday, in case the expansion to

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territories worked, they didn't want to, you know, root it in a

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very specific Christian tradition. So that is, those are

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the between the speed at which they had the one day with Fred

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Savage and the fact that they were trying to expand it. Those

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are probably all the reasons why this is not actually the

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Christmas movie that they marketed. Why Fox chose to

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market it as a Christmas movie when Alita Battle Angel also

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wasn't well, maybe that's why Fox has been bought up at

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Disney. Yeah. So you can fill in the blanks there, but that is

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pretty much behind the scenes of how this movie came to be. X

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Force was originally intended to return for Deadpool three.

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Again, that didn't happen because Fox bought out. But

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given the fact that Deadpool and Wolverine is the highest

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grossing R rated movie. I would not be surprised if Deadpool

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four pulled back domino cable Wolverine and and Deadpool all

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together for an X Force and last but not least, something I

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learned, um, just now, you'll never be able to watch movies

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the same way again, because every movie that you watch, they

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are the Writers Guild, and all the guilds and all the unions

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are required to give credit to all the actors and writers twice

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now that you they used to do it right at the beginning of the

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film. Everybody used to do this. But for the films that don't do

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it, they have to do it twice. So that is why, when a movie ends

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and they have a creative title sequence of drawings and cutesy

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drawings, Deadpool shooting while you see people's names,

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that is to fulfill the legal requirement to show the credits

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twice. That's why you have a glossy end titles and then you

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see black and white credits every time. Oh, I was wondered

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about that. I was just like, all right. I mean, I always

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appreciated the details that a lot of people who are making

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these movies are putting together to show us. And they're

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like, very well done, animated, animated. Sometimes sequences of

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the end credit scenes always just wonders. It's like, well, I

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know that Ryan Reynolds played Deadpool and Wade Wilson. I

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don't need to. I don't need the 15th reminder. But no, that does

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make sense. Thank you for making sure that these people gain

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their

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credit. Yeah, and now you'll never watch the movie the same

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again, like end game. You're like, oh, whoa. That's a really

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cool tribute to all the Avengers over the years, no, that's a

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legal requirement. This time we thought it was nice. It was

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like, No, we're just trying to make sure we don't get sued just

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here, so we don't get fined, yes, because that money should

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be going to flush cancer. That is not a sponsorship or anything

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that we have, but we will definitely be put in the link to

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that into our show notes, because F that thing, yes, all

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right. And speaking of all these, like animated sequences

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and all that, we'd have to talk about the comic books that

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inspired this whole film. This this movie, these characters

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coming together. Don't worry, it'll be quick, because I know

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that I was already beat by Fred Savage in terms of the origin

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story of cable. So I won't tell you all about that. Instead,

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though, I will tell you all about the first time that

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Deadpool and cable did me, and how did that go? So, uh,

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Deadpool was actually created just to fight cable. Deadpool

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was first introduced in the New Mutants number 98 back in 1990

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um, he's created by Rob lifefield and Fabian McKenzie

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macheze. I believe. I'm sorry I'm butchering that last name,

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but these two came together when they were writing and putting

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together the New Mutants. Lifefield has started working on

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it with issue number about 86 or so, and when he was thinking

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about ways to like, really wrap it up, some of the things that

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he did think about was that he wanted to create a duo that

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could compete against Marvel's biggest characters in that

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moment to see if there's a way that he can bring their

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personalities and styles together, and those characters.

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Wolverine and spider man. And fortunately for him, he had

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already created cable. He already created this straight

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laced, very serious guy, no no fun in his life had like a chip

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on his shoulder or, I guess, robotic arm, given the fact of

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who cable is. And while cable was created, I will also preface

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that Nathan Summers, who is the the real name, the alter ego

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that he has, was created a couple years before. So we got a

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chance to see cable come to a full adult self through Rob

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lifefields His eyes and artwork. And this is when he realized

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that he had the straight lace guy. He was like, I need to find

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my spider man. I need to I need to create a character who just

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can't stop talking, who cracks a joke at every single thing. And

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he started designing a character that he then presented the

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artwork over to Fabian. And Fabian looked at it and was just

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like, man, you drew Deathstroke from the Teen Titans, and that's

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what inspired the alter ego name of death pool Wade Wilson,

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because it was like, Well, I mean, if we're gonna go full

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thing, might as well call him something similar to Slade

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Wilson, and this character will then be introduced in the New

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Mutants number 98 where his first meetup with cable was he

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was hired by Toler, by a character named Toliver, who was

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a New Mutants villain, um, who's Also apparently the time travel

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future son of cable. I people. Who was who hired Deadpool to go

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and assassinate cable was while cable was learning what it was

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like to be a team leader for these new mutants, and there was

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fighting. There was a couple times in which cable basically

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broke deadpool's Draw and the thing, but he just kept going

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and going and going and going. Fortunately, they were finally

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able to take down Deadpool, when domino showed up, knocked them

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in the back of the head and was able to send him on his way. And

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that's how the story ends. That was their first interaction.

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Thanks, Domino. You're so lucky. Yeah. So was that Deadpool

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wasn't the character that we knew him to be kind of like

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today. This like huge regenerative, regenerative

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factor, the character who just couldn't stop talking, or really

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more So breaking the fourth wall. The fourth wall break was

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introduced much later for him in the comics. But again, this is

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really just about 34 years of Deadpool. Deadpool is almost as

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whole as us. It is wild to see that character who I feel like I

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have seen my entire life and now came to life in the live action

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presence being done by a man who basically is the our world's

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version of Deadpool, minus the assassin work just bringing him

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here to life. So when that happened, everybody loved the

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fact of just like, Yeah, you did it. You got your Wolverine, you

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got your SpiderMan. Let's see more. And this is what led to

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Deadpool not only teaming up with cable for many, many comics

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later on in the future, having all these crazy stories with

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them, but also it's just like, let's introduce him to a bunch

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of our other characters, given the fact he's already has this

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connection to cable, meaning that he's immune, and let's

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introduce him with the X Men. So that's how we got team us

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between Deadpool and Wolverine, where, even right now, they're

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creating a cover art, a variant cover art where Deadpool and

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Wolverine are fighting, and I think biggie is supposed to stop

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them from fighting. Okay, yeah, so this just connecting to the

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absurdity at times of Deadpool. We also had Deadpool teaming up

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with Spider Man. So Rob's dreams are coming true, where he's

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like, he's teaming up with these like Marvel big heads in the

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world. And just a couple years ago, Deadpool teamed up with

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Black Panther. Deadpool was in Wakanda. I am cautiously curious

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about that. Waiting to go. Don't worry. I think it was okay,

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because this time around, it wasn't like he was coming after

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cable thought his actions towards black Tom Cassidy. But

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it does, it does give us a great lens into the marketability,

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really, of Deadpool, because he really started out as just

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really your basic army dude, like this basic guy who would

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just go through and just take care of business with a bunch of

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weapons, and now he's turned into this character that can

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easily just enter space with all these other big characters in

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the in the Marvel Universe, even making comments at times about

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the. Other worlds, like the DC Universe. And, you know, may

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have me think, like, outside of these particular team ups, what

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character do you think Deadpool should be teamed up with next?

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Like, if you were writing this book, who would you include? I

ComicChams:

would see Deadpool. I think it's pretty obvious, but I just want

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to see Deadpool and Loki. I just want to, I want to see how

ComicChams:

chaotic this, this could get. Like, I just don't even know the

ComicChams:

possibilities of those two together. I just don't even know

ComicChams:

if, like, they're just out trying to out prank each other.

ComicChams:

It's kind of like a prank wars kind of thing, and Loki can't

ComicChams:

kill him, you know. So I think there's a lot of comedic

ComicChams:

potential between the two of them. I like that. My My thing

ComicChams:

was I wanted to do a Deadpool and Joker, just because I feel

ComicChams:

like Deadpool is the character I feel that might be able to cause

ComicChams:

Joker to just break like Joker has broken in the past because

ComicChams:

he was like, he he didn't want to team up with Red Skull,

ComicChams:

because he was like, I will condone everything in the world,

ComicChams:

all kind of matters of violence, but I will not condone Nazis.

ComicChams:

And that is what he said. And I would appreciate to see like,

ComicChams:

how could a character like Deadpool like, what is the

ComicChams:

what's not the moral stance that Joker has, but what is the like?

ComicChams:

What could be the thing that could break Joker in a comedic

ComicChams:

sense? And I feel like Deadpool could be the person to do that.

ComicChams:

And, um, DC. I think I remember a couple years that DC does have

ComicChams:

a version of Deadpool that's not, that's not that stroke that

ComicChams:

Harley Quinn did team up with. But it wasn't as like overt with

ComicChams:

the fourth wall breaking, but it was very much so, like these

ComicChams:

characters have a very similar skill set, so that character,

ComicChams:

unfortunately, didn't do as well, if I'm not mistaken, just

ComicChams:

because everybody just thought it was just DCS Deadpool, sorry,

ComicChams:

Deathstroke, we know that you are DCS, death pool, Deadpool,

ComicChams:

yes, and Deadpool also, of course, appears in Teen Titans

ComicChams:

Go to the movies when Robin and the rest of The Teen Titans call

ComicChams:

out Deadpool, so he's everywhere. And the last thing

ComicChams:

I'm just going to bring up real quickly is deadpool's family. So

ComicChams:

this particular movie was not only just a movie about Deadpool

ComicChams:

trying to figure out what this family looked like for him, but

ComicChams:

of course, it was also marketed as a Christmas family film.

ComicChams:

Deadpool does have a family. Um, it differs in comics with a lot

ComicChams:

of times, but the most current one, the one that seems to have

ComicChams:

taken the strongest hold within the timeline of things, is the

ComicChams:

family that he created from a a one night stand that you have

ComicChams:

with a woman named Carmelita. This led to his most famous

ComicChams:

daughter, Ellie Camacho, during that thing, during their their

ComicChams:

moment. Deadpool did not know that he was a father, so when

ComicChams:

Carmelita brought the child to him to show that, like, Hey,

ComicChams:

this is your kid in a very I will say it was a weird moment,

ComicChams:

but it was a touching one, because she originally came up

ComicChams:

to asking about child support payments, but he said that he

ComicChams:

couldn't believe that this child was his, because this child was

ComicChams:

too beautiful. And I just love that, because it was just like

ComicChams:

it shows at that pool, even though he's like this jokester

ComicChams:

kind of guy who probably, at times, seems he has no care for

ComicChams:

human life and whatnot. He does. He does. He really, truly does.

ComicChams:

Unfortunately, though, because she got introduced to deadpool's

ComicChams:

life, it led to Carmelita and Ellie getting kidnapped. So

ComicChams:

Deadpool went on this whole mission to make sure to save

ComicChams:

them. It led to the death of Carmelita. So Deadpool had to

ComicChams:

find a way to take care of his new kid. And well, of course,

ComicChams:

being the fact that he's a mutant, and the the the

ComicChams:

chromosome that apparently the X gene travels across, is supposed

ComicChams:

to be the the Y chromosome. Ellie developed powers, and her

ComicChams:

powers are very similar to her father's, except in order for

ComicChams:

them to activate, she has to completely die. She does not

ComicChams:

have a regenerative factor. She instead completely dies and then

ComicChams:

respawns, if anything. Oh, well, I don't know. I hope she stays

ComicChams:

out of here with him. I think she should just not do it. I

ComicChams:

think that's just one of those like, oh. And can she? Is she

ComicChams:

immortal? That's also going to be a great question to answer

ComicChams:

later on. Well, with that, that wraps up our comic book section.

ComicChams:

So, um, yeah, Deadpool guys, family, and it does not involve

ComicChams:

cable. At times, cable, he and take cable, tend to team up. I

ComicChams:

think we're going to see more Deadpool and cable. Team ups,

ComicChams:

because while all the comments are being written right now,

ComicChams:

really to kind of focus in on the Deadpool Wolverine team up

ComicChams:

for the sake of the movie, the most iconic team up is Deadpool

ComicChams:

cable, especially because they have this rich history and

ComicChams:

backstory of how they were created, almost to influence one

ComicChams:

another. So I think that we're going to especially now that

ComicChams:

mutants are back into the comic world in the sense of like they

ComicChams:

are connected to the to the larger universe. I expect in the

ComicChams:

next couple years we're going to see that resurgence of Deadpool

ComicChams:

and cable storytelling. So that wraps up our episode. Here join

ComicChams:

us on our next stop for Ryan and Hugh road trip as we enter

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Japan. Fortunately, it's not going to be another Batman Japan

ComicChams:

movie, or Yakuza versus Batman versus the Yakuza League. No,

ComicChams:

we're not doing that. Instead, we are going to see what happens

ComicChams:

to Hugh Jackman as the Wolverine when he enters Japan in 2013 in

ComicChams:

this movie called The Wolverine, we're adding the definitive

ComicChams:

article here to this particular movie. Yes, we're not covering

ComicChams:

bat manager too. Just want to throw that out before anyone

ComicChams:

gets ideas. We're not doing it unless you give us money. Then

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we'll do it. Speaking of money, sure, this is for this through

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platforms. Take care of yourselves and remember to well,

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never actually take advice from a kid who's in jail. Yes, I've

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never been, Oh, my bad. No, it's like for various reasons. You

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shouldn't. I mean, look, if this movie has taught me anything,

ComicChams:

I've never been but as an objective absorber in the game,

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you might end up getting ripped apart by the most Jack character

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in the jail. And if Fox comes to you and says, Can we make a PG

ComicChams:

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Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast
Fun deep dives and honest takes on superhero productions from two Black Nerds breaking down what’s worth your time ('cape') and what you can skip ('cap')
Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast is the perfect place for dissecting superhero shows, movies, and their source material comics from a Black nerd's perspective.

Join Chamar "ComicChams" Griffith and Andrew "Arete" Tejada as they delve into the stories, behind-the-scenes work, and comic origins of these productions. They provide a final review to let you know which ones are worth a watch and have earned their 'cape', and which ones have crash-landed and earned a 'cap'. Expect reviews, lightning rounds, and plenty of nerdy banter in every episode. Available wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chamar Griffith

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A Blerd from birth, Chamar is just a kid from Brooklyn who has always loved epic tales, art, and animation. Given that superheroes and cartoons have all three, he dived into this colorful world.

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