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22nd Apr 2024

Batman Ninja

Chamar and Andrew are back with yet another bonus episode as we wrap up our "Cape or Cap" season with Batman Ninja. As always, we are here to ask the big questions: Does the story make sense? How does it compare to its comic adaptation? What was happening behind the scenes? Is it a good addition to the universe? And most importantly, did the film earn its CAPE or was the hype around it all CAP?

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00:00:00 Intro

00:07:08 Movie Recap

00:58:25 Comic Knowledge

01:01:34 Behind the Scenes

01:06:10 "Cape or Cap" Decision

01:33:43 The Ending Reminder

Transcript
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What is going on with Damien?

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This is probably the worst haircut I've ever seen

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anyone like I'm talking worse than WildTree Manuel Jones and

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brink Hi, I'm chamar Griffith codename Comic Chams.

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And I'm Andrew Tejada Codename Arete. This season

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we're looking at the worst superhero movies ever and seeing

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if they're fun or straight up dumb on Cape or cap,

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a bonus season of yet another DC animated podcast

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Welcome to Cape or cap or bonus season here on yet another DC

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animated podcast. My name is chamar Griffith codenamed Comic

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Chams,

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and I am Andrew Tejada, codename Arete Andrew and I have

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known each other since 1996. That was the year the Mighty

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Morphin alien Rangers debuted. And you're wondering, what does

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that have to do with anything? Well, it turns out that that

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entire season was based on an A ninja version of the Sentai so

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it was an Sentai converted to American aliens, and similarly

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to ninjas. Alien Rangers came gone and we're quickly forgotten

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about

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and yes, we do know a lot about Power Rangers we

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have already covered the movie check over the pipe podcast for

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that coverage on that. Amen. But that that brought back some

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memories because that was also the weirdest story I've ever

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heard in my entire life. Spoilers for those who've never

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seen it though. I'm surprising that verse Yes, boy, were the

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original powers just got turned into kids. And then had to go on

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these like, serious quest in order to get zo crystal before

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they actually introduced zo crystal, like the cost of the

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zero power rangers and there was a change back into adults. And

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then the alien ninja Rangers were basically saving the day

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crossing overseas a time and space which is similar that a

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line is actually very similar to what gets dropped in this film

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today that we're covering, because we are back in our DC

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animated world with a movie that we have, basically badmouth the

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entire time on this podcast. I can't count how many times we've

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actually brought up this movie in particular, and put it in the

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ranks of like Wonder Woman bloodlines and Batman bad blood.

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But today y'all asked for it because today we're getting

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Batman ninja. Yeah,

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Is it as bad as we'd been advertising? Well find out in

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just like two minutes you're here already. All right, so

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at a runtime of 85 minutes is 2018 film was

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directed by June payments who Saki not too many directorial

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stuff on jun pace and however a lot of production credits

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producer credits that include an episode of Star Wars visions,

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and JoJos Bizarre ventures a June pay also teamed up with

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some part directors such as Shinji Takagi joint chi Yamamoto

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as shoe a Morita. Then for a screenplay. I'm kind of

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impressed. I hope I got those pronounce those right. For our

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screenplay, we got causes. Kazuki Nakashima, who wrote the

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original Japanese screenplay, a name that is quite familiar in

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the Sentai and common writer worlds. And it's some great

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anime, because Kazuki is the mind behind primaire killer

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kill. And honestly, this is one of my favorite anime shows of

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all time. Gurren Lagaan, underrated, underrated. Yes. And

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while Nakashima wrote the original Japanese screenplay, we

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have Leo Chu and Eric C. S. Garcia, providing the English

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screenplay that we're reviewing today on this podcast. And

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they're the minds behind this these limited series that say,

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quote unquote, because remember what I like to call cancel shows

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now. They wrote super ninjas. That's su p h. That actually

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started writing Porter. Oh, yes, yes. Netflix's Alexa and Katie.

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The current I think this is currently going on Disney's

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ultra violet and black scorpion. And finally adult swims Afro

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Samurai

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is Afro Samurai. Thank you, Sam. Thank you Sam Jackson.

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We got some animation work done by besar

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entertainment. It was profitable for the sword fights that we see

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throughout the film. A piece Inc and kahar Inc to handle the CGI

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and and a bunch more. studios that teamed in to handle the

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general animation throughout the film. All right now it's time

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for our cast list. So we got Roger Craig Smith, who has

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definitely voiced our Batman in the past. More so connected to

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the Batman Unlimited storytelling. He's back again.

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Now for Batman ninja. I'm just wanting to make sure you're okay

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with me mentioning Batman Unlimited in this pocket. We're

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here aren't we? We're in the worst of the worst.

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Fred's how to secure is voicing Gorilla Grodd and

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Deathstroke. Tony Hale is the voice of the Joker. Greg Griffin

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is the voice of Catwoman. Tara Strong is voicing Harley Quinn

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and poison ivy. Tom Kenny, aka SpongeBob is voicing penguin.

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Eric Bauza is to face Bane is actually voiced by the something

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that I found out about is this movie was produced in English

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and Japanese. So bein in particular, he is voicing his

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voice is the same voice that isn't Japanese as Kenta.

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Miyazaki. Yuri Loewenthal is voice and Robin in this universe

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is Damien and Red Hood. Guys say that is a wild mix for the kind

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of makes sense. Well, Fredo is voice of Red Robin. Adam Crowe

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stale is Nightwing and Alfred Pennyworth eon who is a

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character who just pops up you don't get too much dialogue for

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him. But it's voiced by Matt Yang king. And finally we got

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our two monkeys in the film. Mon me who was voiced by the

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Japanese voice actor, jury nagatsuma and monkey chi. This

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was the one that I think probably was holding it down in

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this film for

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this crew

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is voiced by ANA movie hall.

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Yeah, man, could you put in some more work than some of

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the human characters in this film?

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I cannot agree more. I'm and then also, for the

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Japanese voice actors, we're not going to go through them. But

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again, this was done in Japanese as well. But some of the voice

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actors who are featured on there went on to do some more roles

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such as stuff in Attack on Titan just did jutsu chi cinta Jones

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bizarre adventures and a bunch of other shows. But we're

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talking about Batman ninja in this English dub. So let's Boom

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Tube over to the beginning of this 2018 film, Batman ninja.

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As any great movie starts, you get some narration

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with Catwoman saying you probably won't believe it. I

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didn't believe this story either. I think you'll agree by

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the time you get to the end. So Grodd is experimenting on

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something at Arkham Asylum, Catwoman and Batman happened to

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be there at the same time. And it turns out, it's a time

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machine because they're all launched back into feudal Japan.

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And upon getting there, Batman is immediately on site, branded

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a criminal he is he is a wanted man. And he has to fight off a

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bunch of Joker masked samurai who are ordered to kill him on

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site. So you know, Batman is ready to fight and evade.

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Unfortunately, in a really I love these moments and superhero

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media. He tries to grapple away, but all the buildings are short,

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so he can. So he is not going to go anywhere. Except that

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credits. Yeah, the credits are right here.

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Yeah, it is a it's a pretty cool credit scene, I will

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say because it's basically you see every person who is being

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listed as part of the film know the actual actors names, because

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they do save that towards the end. But we see that the names

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are coming up on the on the blades of like sores from this

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like fuel, Japan swords. And you're seeing all this done you

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actually in as opposed to most movies are probably coming

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around this time, we're not actually seeing the full movie

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play out in the credit sequence, which I was thankful for.

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Because it does add a little bit of mystery to it about like

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what's happening. How Does Batman overcome this? So once

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that's all settled, Batman finds himself in the forest. He's

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trying to see if he can log in to any of his back computer

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equipment and try to get a GPS, and everything's coming up same

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as offline, because, of course Batman is trapped in the past.

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However, he does notice that even though he's in feudal

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Japan, there's a lot of stuff that's happening that seems a

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little ahead of his time. So he decides that the best course of

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action is to go to the building that has the most I guess, you

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could say futuristic look to it. Basically, it just has like it

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seems to be running on coal and everything. So as he arrives and

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uses I guess I assume it's binoculars, which is weird

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because it was like it seemed like he got access to his

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computer, and everything in that moment, because he's able to

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pull up a file we see on the corner of the HUD screen that he

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has, that he identifies the Joker. And it's like details

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from the back computer file. But I'm confused, like how he was

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able to access is like this, I wish to kind of at least said

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like, hey, he has a local network, at least in his in his

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cape or suit

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or something. Yeah, his theory was established as being

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down earlier. So I guess he has like a memory bank. i Yeah, it's

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not really clear how he does that.

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But as he sees Joker, Joker pops up right next

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to him. And it's revealed that the Joker that was often the

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distance that he was looking at, is actually Harley Quinn and the

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mask. And this leads into our first battle of the film, or

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actually second battle of the film because you had the fight

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against Grodd. But we don't really see that. But we see now

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this like full extent battle, Joker explains to Batman a

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little bit about how he got there, he and he tells him that

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Gorilla Grodd was using this device to bring the arm that

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accidentally went off and transported all of them to

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feudal Japan, where he is now basically taking over his own

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little thing. He's gone out he's gone under the name now of the

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the lord of hell or something like that. But he likes to just

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to be called Lord Joker, as he immediately it starts attacking

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Batman and storing out jokes and some of them just like some of

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the blows none of them are really landing. So as Batman is

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trying to maneuver out the way we see how much control Joker

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actually has, when Harley Quinn pops out with I'm assuming this

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Saki I don't know for him to drink while his samurai henchmen

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are now attacking Batman and trying to kill him as Joker just

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watches in awe of like his greatest nemesis now is here and

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he finally has a chance to have some fun

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yeah the but the sharp fans which I spent a lot of time

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explaining and until like we know how sharp fans were

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generally I'm almost get him. The samurai almost get him but

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Batman manages to get away in a cool frame shot he hangs under a

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bridge like a bat. As they all pass over him. How they didn't

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see him from the other side. I guess they have no peripheral

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or at least in the reflections of the water.

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You're right like it really easy. While under the

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bridge, Batman spots Catwoman in a kimono that leaves very little

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to the imagination.

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PG 13 PG 13

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and Anna Mae PG 13 I think. So he links up with

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Catwoman and finds out Grodd did it which we kind of already know

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but you know never helps you. It it never hurts to be thorough.

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So it turns out that Catwoman and Joker for some reason,

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arrived two years prior than Batman did in Japan and other

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people. Apparently everybody except Batman arrived two years

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earlier. For some reason, I don't know why. But they just

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did. And in that time, multiple villains have carved up

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territory in Japan, Penguin, Poison Ivy, Deathstroke and two

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faiths have all carved out their own territory to face has sided

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with Joker. And when I first heard this plot point and

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sounded like a plot point in Harley Quinn, where the villain

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come out of the city, similarly, this happens a Gotham. So it

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did. It did feel familiar. And Catwoman agrees to work with

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Batman to get back to the future. And they need to break

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into Joker's main tower and get the time machine. So the first

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step to doing that is for Batman to go to his barber and have him

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just just fuck his hairline up. I'm sorry. That's my PG 13. But

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that's come. Batman's head was destroyed. Here.

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I'm glad you said that. Film does a disgrace to

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airlines. There was another character who I have so many

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questions about. But first we got to talk about Batman's

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haircut. Because basically what they did was you would assume

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that maybe they will just give you a little little hat like,

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like I don't know exactly what it's called that the

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missionaries were but what they end up doing is that he has on

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they give him this hair cut and in the middle of his head is a

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bat logo, his own symbol, and I need to know was this like, is

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this like the barbers work because I'm mean a plus for that

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level of artwork. But why? Or this Batman have a tattoo of a

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bat on the middle of his?

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Yeah, it's like also you're trying to be subtle,

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right? Like, I don't I think the guy with the batch carved into

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his head that looks American is probably Batman. You know.

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He even has a Bible in his hand that has the Batman

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logo on it. And it's just like, I'm sorry, at this point. It's

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like, it's hard to not say you're Batman. Well, you could

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have done anything else. Um, so as he and Catwoman are just

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walking around, thinking they have the greatest disguises

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ever. Batman sees that in what's being called Arkham Castle,

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which is supposed to be apparently supposed to be Arkham

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Asylum, like the whole building from when at the beginning of

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our movie had also transferred to the past. So Joker turned it

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into his own, like his own headquarters. And he also has

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possession of the time machine as well in that place. The Quake

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engine this is called a Batman is noticing that a lot of the

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stuff that's coming in to that Arkham Castle is too much from

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the future. Like it's a bunch of coal, and he's just like,

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alright, Joker's messing around with time, I'm surprised, buried

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and just show up and just be like, Hey, that's my job. So as

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Batman is trying to figure out the next steps, they're at a tea

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house. And then as the next cup of tea comes out, that man is

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shocked to drink it and see that it's actually a cup of black

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tea, instead of assuming either Jasmine of green tea at that

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time. And then this is when it's revealed that Alfred was also

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brought to the past. And that this whole time Selena has been

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hiding the secret of alpha being there, because she was just

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wanting to play a trick on Batman and be like, Hey, here's

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a prank and I'm just like, I don't see how this is funny. I

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feel like my guy really thought that he had lost everyone. So

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like if you lost your father figure I feel like that would be

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the biggest hit of all if you just found out that like he had

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been there this entire time.

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Yeah, cuz he mentions that he was in the Batmobile

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that night. Why? Because we know this Batman has Robins multiple

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we'll get there was a why weren't one of them in the

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Batmobile? Why did Alfred need to be there? I feel like we'll

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get to it. But he luckily with Alfred. Also comes a Batmobile.

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And as he's reunited with his Batmobile, cannons are fired on

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this impromptu Batcave implying I guess that Joker saw Batman

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and civilian. Right,

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which means to know, right? I mean, it must have been

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the bat logo that was etched onto his head. He must follow in

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this guy.

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It's possible maybe his scout saw, I don't know. But

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there's a gap there. So the Batmobile starts racing towards

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Joker's castle, and I'll give them this another really

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creative moment. As Joker is narrating the chase that he can

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somehow see. He has a person with a scroll. Yeah, that was

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that was fun. The scroll was just moving really fast. So they

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try everything to stop Batman. Joker uses a magnetized bump

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some spikes, so Batman counters with a magnetized bumper. And

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when Batman gets close enough, Joker, he activates a castle,

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which turns into a mech. A giant mech in feudal Japan. This is

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the second reason I referenced Power Rangers earlier because

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like Power Rangers Batman Ninja has Max. Just giant Max. Hallo.

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I don't

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know.

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And we'll never know. Because it also makes the

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same question about the Batmobile. Which at one point

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gets hit hard enough by something. So because at one

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point Joker is able to pull from the castle giant shurikens i,

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this was this was a little out there. I thought it was cool.

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But at the same time, it's like we're How did you produce this

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thing anyway, like in the point of where we are now. So he pulls

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out some DJI shurikens throws at the Batmobile. This causes the

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Batmobile to get kind of hit so Batman has to maneuver out but

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he gets grabbed by one in the hands of Arkham castle. So as

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it's being squished Batman presses a button, the Batmobile

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then turn So to the Batwing and as it's round taking flight or

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not the bat wing it's superhero that the battling the the thing

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yeah just I mean it gets confusing people you know

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Batman's flying around the Batmobile trying to maneuver he

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is shooting bullets and everything which makes me

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wonder. I'm assuming these bullets that were just already

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in the car and in the in the thing because I know how he how

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alpha would have gotten bullets that would have worked with semi

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automatic or rapid fire equipment.

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I'll give it prep time, I guess. Yeah,

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you're right. Yeah, two years. So as the bat wing is

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flying around, Joker takes I think he has like some spikes on

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his on the on the mech arm as well, that stabs through the

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wings of the bat wing. So Batman then presses another button, and

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this time it transforms into the back cycle. And this is when I

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was like this movie is made for the toys. I could tell. It was

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giving really Batman Unlimited vibes. Yeah. So as the cycle

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crashes into the, into the room where Joker is in the Arkham

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Castle, Joker has one more ace up his sleeve as he shows that

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there's a woman on the ground, who he is really willing to

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kill, if he just presses a button that will cause the arm

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of the Arkham castle to fall crashing her. And he quotes

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keeps saying, Well, I mean, you are a hero, so you gotta go and

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do what heroes do. As Batman turns the bat cycle around, he

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flies out the hole that he just made and is a visually cool

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scene because as the hand is falling down Batman is also

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falling alongside with it with the bat cycle and then uses the

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I guess like the turbo boost on it to get himself down there a

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little bit faster, where he comes face to face with the

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biggest and probably the most jacked villain of this film.

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Bane Yeah, rather sumo bein.

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Sumo bein different, different pain. Luckily for

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Batman, he turns his pet pod turns into a mech suit, as well.

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An exosuit that he could use against been. So as they're they

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he pretty much instantly the feed sumo bein. Which I guess

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points for realism. As he goes to the victim it route it's

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revealed again it's it's just Harley. It's another another

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fake out. And Batman gets cornered underneath. A joker is

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mech his mech is crushed. But Pat man's personal Batsuit he

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gets hit by Harley with a hammer. And things are looking

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pretty bad for him. He has no tricks up his sleeve no tech, no

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gadgetry. Luckily, an army of bats. And a group of Batman

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ninja inspired by Batman himself, save him. And they save

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him and bring him to another location where all the robins

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are here. Bamyan dick, Tim, and it's a reveal that Red Hood is

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just is here, but not right here at the time. Um, and apparently,

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all of this is because there was a prophecy that Batman would

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arrive and save all have Japan from imminent threat. But I

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don't care about that. Because what is going on with Damien?

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What is? No,

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this is probably the worst haircut I've ever seen

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anyone like, I'm talking worse than Walter Emanuel Jones and

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bring

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man in that. Oh, look it up people if you haven't, it's

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bad.

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Yeah, it's like, it's like if they were just

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like, hey, you have a lot of hair. What if I just shaved

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right down the middle, but not in the middle where it's just

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like I'm taking it from taking the razor at the face, and just

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going all the way to the back because I know I'm gonna go from

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one side of your ear to the other side of your ear full on,

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full on like Moon circle. And it's so bad. And I'm just like,

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I understand if this was like, the hairstyle from back in the

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day, but I honestly feel like this was a joke that the rest of

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the Robins had played on him because they all have full heads

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of hair. Yeah,

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everybody else has regular haircuts. I don't think

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I even saw a civilian with the hair cut that Robin was rocking.

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I know at some point was the style, but I Why would he do it?

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Of all of them like alpha are doing it would have made sense.

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Almost. But not Damian, this haircut is truly horrifying. I'm

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speaking of things that are truly horrifying. Batman is told

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to me Grodd in the hotsprings were brought us hanging out with

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chimps, which

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Yeah, I think they're supposed to be Japanese

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snow monkeys, but they're not whites. I know that can't be

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snow monkeys. But they're like Japanese snow monkeys.

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It just feels not. Okay. Um, so Batman declines and

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invitation to get in the springs with broad. But Grodd does

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reveal that he essentially invented time travel. So he

Arete:

could send all the other Gotham rogues away to a different time

Arete:

period where they couldn't interfere. Which brings up a few

Arete:

questions. Why is Brian and Gotham right? Not a Gotham

Arete:

villain, typically, to where was he planning on sending them

Arete:

somewhere else where they would mess up the timeline?

ComicChams:

Yeah, like the best course of action would be to

ComicChams:

send them to the future, because if you send them to the past,

ComicChams:

there's a strong possibility. Now we're getting into a little

ComicChams:

bit of time travel here. Yeah, this was gonna happen. If you

ComicChams:

send them to the past, I feel like they would be able, because

ComicChams:

of the limited resources that was back in the day, they could

ComicChams:

easily have taken over, which is what they did in the last two

ComicChams:

years. So if you send them to the past, you make a strong,

ComicChams:

it's not gonna be good for you trying to take over a Gautham,

ComicChams:

that's most likely going to be influenced by their rule from

ComicChams:

the past, you should have sent them to the future where they

ComicChams:

can't do anything about the rule that you have established, maybe

ComicChams:

over a 50 year time period at the bare minimum, I mean, send

ComicChams:

them all the way to the feudal Japan, meaning that like, if it

ComicChams:

works that way, it should work the even amount of years in the

ComicChams:

opposite direction, meaning that you will have rule way past your

ComicChams:

own life expectancy.

Arete:

But again, I also assume that Grodd is smart, and that if

Arete:

he sends them to the future, there's a possibility they could

Arete:

use his time machine to get back to where they need to go. So I

Arete:

mean, this is what we're supposing here is essentially

Arete:

the plan diffused and back to the future too. But it works for

Arete:

Biff, because he's not smart enough to think of the

Arete:

possibility that Marty could just undo it. But Grodd is, so I

Arete:

don't know where he was planning on sending them. But apparently,

Arete:

he said that men mess up the plan. So he kind of had to

Arete:

improvise here. And now he wants to work with that man to get his

Arete:

control the tower control of his time machine everything back. So

Arete:

this leads to a scene where Batman and his forces and his

Arete:

allies decided to confront Joker out on the open sea, like a one

Arete:

piece scene. And during this action sequence, it's weird but

Arete:

the music goes out randomly. I don't know why that happens.

Arete:

It's

ComicChams:

yeah, I have I have a thought about that. But I'll

ComicChams:

save it for later. Because as we're seeing this whole thing

ComicChams:

play out, and it's good. I will say it was good music too. I

ComicChams:

felt like they were trying to they captured some essence of

ComicChams:

like the energy that was being put forward. We see that they

ComicChams:

have Joker side has established another leap in technology as

ComicChams:

they have I think it was like railguns basically attached to

ComicChams:

the ship, which I feel like it's way more ahead than any even

ComicChams:

like current ships. Yeah. And they shoot up the water thinking

ComicChams:

that they hit every single member of the bat clan of Heda

ComicChams:

This is the group that has been working with the Robins as now

ComicChams:

as Batman to join their join with them in this quest for for

ComicChams:

good. So when this happens Batman reveals Hi, I had prep

ComicChams:

time and reveals that the ship that the Batman The Bat clan

ComicChams:

that he that has is basically a submarine so all everybody that

ComicChams:

they thought was being hit by the bullets was actually dummies

ComicChams:

that they had just crafted to show like these little pipes

ComicChams:

coming out and now all the Robins except for Red Hood and

ComicChams:

Batman along with this bat clan are just creating straight out

ComicChams:

war chaos on on Joker ship they're able to take down Joker

ComicChams:

and Harley Quinn in a really cool sequence very anime like

ComicChams:

where it's just Like Batman and Gorilla Grodd team up there

ComicChams:

moments in which you see like Gorilla Grodd, almost looking

ComicChams:

like he's about to get his like 13th Power up before he gives

ComicChams:

Joker the flop. Some great scenes to where Batman punches

ComicChams:

Joker hard enough that causes him to kind of like, do that

ComicChams:

classic enemy spit take or something? Oh, yeah, it was.

ComicChams:

Yeah, so it was like, they did a great job in the sequencing and

ComicChams:

the animation and some of the scenes here. Unfortunately,

ComicChams:

though, when everything's about to get wrapped up, this is where

ComicChams:

we get the biggest double cross of all because Gorilla Grodd

ComicChams:

reveals that he still has a trick up his sleeve as he pulls

ComicChams:

out his mind control. Head, Mind Control machine thingamajig I

ComicChams:

actually never know what this was called.

Arete:

The mind manipulator. 5000 I think

ComicChams:

every time I think of that, I think of Deathstroke.

ComicChams:

In seeing Titans goes like Mark show.

Arete:

That's where he got it from just from Grad. So here,

Arete:

it's revealed he tries to use Mind Control on the back clan.

Arete:

But it's revealed that they're just immune miniatures, they

Arete:

can't be controlled. They Oh, so lucky with plot point. Cool. So

Arete:

then that plan doesn't work. But Grodd has a backup plan, he

Arete:

turns out that he teamed up with to face and he orders them to

Arete:

face to fire on the ship. Cat Woman also jumped ship with

Arete:

Grodd literally, God has a 5000 feet vertical and is able to

Arete:

jump from the, from his ship to another one. Was there any

Arete:

telekinesis? Or do you just make that jump himself? I think it's

Arete:

just God is him I think that's fair. Um, so as the ship is

Arete:

going up, Batman is wants to stay behind and capture Joker

Arete:

and Harley, who are on the top of the ship and refuse to get

Arete:

down. But he waits too long and fails the mission. It felt like

Arete:

a mission where it's like, you're supposed to do a quick

Arete:

time event to jump off the ship. And you know, in times you get

Arete:

blown up. But luckily, there are no consequences. It is revealed

Arete:

that each villain ended up with a piece of the Time Machine

Arete:

device. So that's another fetch quest for them. And as Bruce

Arete:

industries Bruce in bed recovering, and shortly after

Arete:

recovery, we get it's a speech a bizarre speech.

ComicChams:

Yeah, it's really bizarre, because the entire time

ComicChams:

Bruce is looking down at his hand. And he's just like, I

ComicChams:

thought I had nothing. You know, and it led me to trusting and

ComicChams:

believing in people like Grodd, because I had lost so much when

ComicChams:

I first arrived here, that was just like, I don't have any of

ComicChams:

my technology. So I have to rely on just unconventional means.

ComicChams:

And that unconventional mean led to like a big breach of trust.

ComicChams:

Because now all of his villains have one. And then this is when

ComicChams:

like, the poignant music kind of starts, but it does not get

ComicChams:

played loud. This is something that I kind of irked me a lot.

ComicChams:

Because as Batman has given the species just like, but you know

ComicChams:

what I got? I got my skills. I got family. And I got the bat

ComicChams:

clan of Heda. Who's got me and I was just like, you just met them

ComicChams:

how they don't actually got to you even know what they got.

Arete:

And this is nothing. This is what you call having nothing.

Arete:

You have a lot of resources.

ComicChams:

If I was eon, who was the I think the leader of

ComicChams:

the bat clan. Gonna be like, Yo, bro, like, like, literally, I

ComicChams:

could just take my whole entire squad leave. We thought you were

ComicChams:

the We thought you were the one but clearly you don't believe in

ComicChams:

us. We don't believe in you anymore. But um, Batman's having

ComicChams:

this whole conversation we have revealed that he's actually

ComicChams:

having it with Nightwing is actually not for the viewer

ComicChams:

whatsoever. It's just for Nightwing and then more the

ComicChams:

Robins pop up and he's just like, we're going to use it.

ComicChams:

It's a really weird sense of dialogue because he's like,

ComicChams:

we're gonna use their resources and bring it alongside our

ComicChams:

resources. We're gonna take it over. And as best on the very

ComicChams:

imperialistic of you Batman but and he's like, we're going to

ComicChams:

bring their Legend of me into a reality and then it turns into a

ComicChams:

completely the following see? Yeah,

Arete:

I mean also like, aren't you guys already ninjas? I mean,

Arete:

I get it clean. Like you're, like well adapted techniques of

Arete:

ninjas. Um, you, you consistently do though? It's

Arete:

unclear what techniques you're talking about, but you want to

Arete:

adapt. Because they haven't really done anything like that

Arete:

impressive that you could Yeah. Like

ComicChams:

at this point, you're just trying to, it almost

ComicChams:

felt like he was trying to justify cultural appropriation,

ComicChams:

which is like, Oh, you've been doing it for so long. And this

ComicChams:

is like, No, I haven't done that never, never had ninja skills.

ComicChams:

And just like you use smoke bombs, you use hand to hand

ComicChams:

combat, you use the shadows to your benefit. I'm missing the

ComicChams:

part where you're not ninja.

Arete:

Yeah, like, Come on, guys. I don't think that line

Arete:

came out like you wanted it to. But as you say, at this point,

Arete:

we go into a different movie. The animation style changes into

Arete:

a basically pencil animation style here. I liked it for the

Arete:

first 20 seconds. I'm all for a very stylized animation change

Arete:

to say something very specific, for example, everything

Arete:

everywhere all at once. Yeah, there's a scene where they're

Arete:

bouncing the multiverse, and at one point, their fight turns

Arete:

from hyper realistic to it's on a piece of paper. Kill Bill has

Arete:

a scene where it goes from live action to anime very

Arete:

effectively, to depict a specific scene. Here, we have a

Arete:

pencil drawn animation scene for a scene in which Red Hood finds

Arete:

Harley and joker who were presumed dead in the

Arete:

countryside. And they both have amnesia. But Red Hood doesn't

Arete:

believe them, threatens to break Harley's arm and kill the Joker.

Arete:

Right there on the spot. All while this is in this pencil

Arete:

drawn animation. So if the idea here was that it switched

Arete:

switched to pencil to represent the Joker's and Harley's mental

Arete:

state after losing their memories. The scene should have

Arete:

been from their perspective and not read hoods. Yeah. Um, but if

Arete:

this is a very red hood driven scene, and again, as I always

Arete:

say, with movies, I love when you give the viewer leeway to

Arete:

fill in the gaps and and string some motivations together. Yes,

Arete:

you can assume most people watching Batman ninja know the

Arete:

story of Red Hood. That's fine. But you needed in this scene,

Arete:

one line where Jason says, Hey, remember that time you almost

Arete:

killed me? Well, I'm returning the favor. Just one line. I'm

Arete:

not asking for a whole retelling of Red Hood. But I thought it

Arete:

was a real missed opportunity for someone who might be less

Arete:

familiar with the red hood to or you know someone new to the

Arete:

universe. To see this they're gonna think Oh, Redhead is just

Arete:

angry. He's just going over. No, he has a very, very legitimate

Arete:

reason. Yeah, even wants to kill the Joker right now. But they

Arete:

don't bring it up. And it's interrupted by Batman anyway.

ComicChams:

Yeah, I agree. Like, not if watching it without any

ComicChams:

context of that history, that scene is very cringe because

ComicChams:

it's a very sudden, tonal shift even because it's like, you

ComicChams:

know, you assume that if you again, if you know nothing about

ComicChams:

Red Hood, you're assuming that this is somebody who was trained

ComicChams:

by Batman. So he's one of the Robins obviously, he's going to

ComicChams:

act kind of like them. But then it's just like, he's literally

ComicChams:

just entering the scenes of cause arm. And it's a lot

ComicChams:

because it's like the even show a scene in which he has, he is

ComicChams:

somehow fashioned a gun through bamboo. I am not going to have

ComicChams:

I'm not going to ask the questions about that. Um, but he

ComicChams:

shoots Joker, not like towards him. He does like intentionally

ComicChams:

miss that it does catch a little bit of the hairs. So then you

ComicChams:

start seeing Batman's intervention through the

ComicChams:

reflection of Joker's like iris or something and it's like, it's

ComicChams:

visually cool to see as you see it like kind of like appear. So

ComicChams:

then we jump into the next scene where it's just like this last

ComicChams:

memory version of Joker is explaining to Batman everything

ComicChams:

about who he is and how you came here. He knows that he lost his

ComicChams:

memory. He knows that his wife that he's calling it has lost

ComicChams:

his memory as well. And it just wanted a peaceful life. They've

ComicChams:

been noticing that like for what's been going well for them

ComicChams:

is working out in the field here, they feel like they are

ComicChams:

giving whatever negative energy they had in their life into the

ComicChams:

ground to bring up something new. And all they just really

ComicChams:

want us to just grow these plants that they have. And

ComicChams:

Batman's like, alright, I get it, you don't seem like the

ComicChams:

person I've been trying to fight against this entire time. It

ComicChams:

seems like there's some sense of rehabilitation. I'm sorry for

ComicChams:

what my colleague did, we'll just go on ahead and leave y'all

ComicChams:

be and obviously read has just like, I don't understand how you

ComicChams:

even think about leaving them behind. After everything, which

ComicChams:

I agree once again, we needed at least a line to make that

ComicChams:

connection here. So explain to somebody because I'm assuming

ComicChams:

that this is not just made for a person who wants to watch a

ComicChams:

Batman movie, and has all that context of who Red Hood is, and

ComicChams:

all those other robbers in his story. But I'm assuming that is

ComicChams:

the trying to bridge make create the bridge to our enemy watchers

ComicChams:

out there in the world. Because when you see this is like this

ComicChams:

is a, this is an enemy. This is basically what it is. In fact, I

ComicChams:

even call this an ISA Kai where it's just like the characters

ComicChams:

are taken from their own plane of existence into another time

ComicChams:

or place. This is classic enemy storytelling. So when you are

ComicChams:

trying to tell the story to people who don't know the

ComicChams:

history of it, you're missing out on some big things. So as

ComicChams:

they leave, you're relieving a lot of people wondering what is

ComicChams:

what are we just watching this like crazy, different animation

ComicChams:

style, crate art characters have like, gone completely cringy in

ComicChams:

their own ways. And now we see that Joker and Harley, they're

ComicChams:

celebrating over the fact that something is growing in their

ComicChams:

garden. And as they're rejoicing, you see that Joker is

ComicChams:

hugging Harley, he takes his hand and as he wipes his nose,

ComicChams:

you see the red makeup style that was originally on his face,

ComicChams:

as reappeared. And it's seems like they're reverting back.

ComicChams:

Maybe as either they have been playing this trick so well that

ComicChams:

they got Batman convinced that they had rehabilitated or

ComicChams:

something else as spores come up. also forgot to mention there

ComicChams:

was like a whole other animation different scene, where it's like

ComicChams:

Batman is learning how to the he experiences a montage a little

ComicChams:

bit. And it's almost done in like a as if you're playing the

ComicChams:

video game. And you're just going through the you know, you

ComicChams:

can't have animated montage sequences is just like the two

ComicChams:

characters standing side by side. And you're hearing them

ComicChams:

talking and you're seeing in the background, the thing that

ComicChams:

they're supposed to be doing. So that was the another animation

ComicChams:

shift. That was that was kind of different for this, like I saw

ComicChams:

what they were trying to do. I think it was just too many

ComicChams:

shifts in a short period of time. In this one particular

ComicChams:

middle part that leads into what's supposed to be the

ComicChams:

beginning of the conclusion of this upcoming battle. Yeah, cuz

Arete:

if it's fun, like we spent a lot of time on this, we

Arete:

have to point out here, that scene was pointless. Yeah, the

Arete:

scene was without the context of Red Hood and his backstory in

Arete:

the scene. His confrontation with them makes no sense. So on

Arete:

that purely on that level alone, it the scene is pointless. But

Arete:

the implication at the end that they are insane. It could do

Arete:

something. It could have made a point, but there's a one month

Arete:

time skip, so it's pointless. What if they were insane or not?

Arete:

It doesn't matter because a month goes by where they haven't

Arete:

done anything because nobody mentions the Joker about in a

Arete:

month. So it's like if you wanted to do the scene, if you

Arete:

ended it maybe like two seconds earlier, before they start

Arete:

laughing. Then at least we could have the question in the air of

Arete:

does Joker have his memory or not. But they don't do that they

Arete:

just keep Yeah. And I mean again, bringing up Harley Quinn

Arete:

again. Harley Quinn did this better, where Joker was found at

Arete:

a random bar spoilers for Harlequin season two. But he's

Arete:

found at a random bar after he falling into an acid that revert

Arete:

versus his Joker tendencies. And the episode and when she finds

Arete:

him, she's ready to kill him. But he genuinely has no

Arete:

recollection. However, there are some aspects of his personality

Arete:

that are still coming out. And overall, he's not the Joker

Arete:

anymore. So she has to make the decision of whether to leave him

Arete:

alone or not. But here just there's no ambiguity. He is

Arete:

still the Joker at the end of the scene, or at least some

Arete:

trace of him. So this is a big scene before the climax,

Arete:

basically inserted to explain why Joker is not. The whole

Arete:

purpose of the scene to is also explained why Joker is not

Arete:

involved with the other villains but there's a month time skip so

Arete:

it doesn't

ComicChams:

also you could easily just left that the fact

ComicChams:

that like he died they just say like they're under the

ComicChams:

impression that he and Harley Quinn had died during that

ComicChams:

explosion on the boat. You just leave it as that. Yeah then like

ComicChams:

surprise surprise

Arete:

that's all you have to do because you're skipping ahead a

Arete:

month. I can't undo I can unders state how much does one month

Arete:

times give makes everything pointless? Anyway, in that one

Arete:

month, God rebuild rebuilt Arkham castle. He has a Moving

Arete:

Castle as long with every other war lord. They have a fully

Arete:

operate operated mechanized castle. Each one of them can

Arete:

become its own giant mecha who are the contractors?

ComicChams:

The same ones that built the Batcave in Gotham. I'm

ComicChams:

assuming this is their ancestors clearly

Arete:

so Batman Of course he was waiting for this he was

Arete:

waiting for the moment where all the crime lords clash at once

Arete:

because apparently he knew that would happen and He reveals that

Arete:

he to take on this thread has become Sengoku Batman, which

Arete:

should be cool but there's no difference it's just Batman with

Arete:

the sword I

ComicChams:

guess. Yeah, really? Is just that yeah, that's funny

ComicChams:

too, because he just looks more like a samurai that he does like

Arete:

yes, it should have been Batman samurai Yes, so here

Arete:

Grodd has his army they all have gorilla masks. He's ready to

Arete:

attack but his number two to face turns on him which I did

Arete:

find funny because I kept hearing in my mind again Harley

Arete:

Quinn sorry all the Harley Quinn references today. But I just

Arete:

came here to face of course I betrayed you. My name is to face

Arete:

but it turns out grind he had planned for this.

ComicChams:

Oh yeah, it was just basically let me just grab him

ComicChams:

with my arm of Arkham castle and throw at the other castle. Oh my

ComicChams:

gosh, to phase out it coming it is it is wild. Um, and as this

ComicChams:

is happening, we do see that the the bat family team here, they

ComicChams:

do fly into action because what they do is they have as they're

ComicChams:

riding on their horses, they set up something like kind of like

ComicChams:

bat wings, not the plane not the hero actual bat wings on their

ComicChams:

backs. To take off into flight as the horses were bring them up

ComicChams:

very similar to a kite. So once they let loose of the strings

ComicChams:

that were attached into the horses and now gives them the

ComicChams:

ability to glide through all this damage of all the villains

ComicChams:

fighting against each other in their in their mechs. And they

ComicChams:

try to see maybe if they can try and take down some in any way

ComicChams:

shape or form. However, Gorilla Grodd has it pretty much all

ComicChams:

handled. And what he ends up doing is revealing that he has

ComicChams:

another ace up his sleeve. Because when he as all of them

ComicChams:

are on the ground, all the mechs are on the ground and all their

ComicChams:

villains are operating them are kind of like groggy. He turns on

ComicChams:

his machine, which leads to everyone getting mind control to

ComicChams:

get revealing that his big plan was one to never return to

ComicChams:

Gotham, which is the reason why the cat woman had joined up with

ComicChams:

him. It was to actually stay here use the mind control

ComicChams:

villains to merge their castles which she said that he had

ComicChams:

implanted the idea of creating these net castles into their

ComicChams:

mind previously. That's a lot and combining all of it to

ComicChams:

create a monstrous mech that will then create forever rule of

ComicChams:

monkeys throughout time um first off I just want to say monkeys

ComicChams:

and gorillas are not technically the same just want to make sure

ComicChams:

we all know that I don't think that Gods I think as smart as

ComicChams:

grinders, he should have probably known that two big

ComicChams:

differences a tail. So, as they are trying to figure out what to

ComicChams:

do because the villains are being forced to merge together

ComicChams:

Grodd is ready to play his his will looks like a I forget what

ComicChams:

the name is. It's kind of like a go I think is the game. The

ComicChams:

pieces differ. So he's ready to place the final tile in order to

ComicChams:

complete the transformation. But surprise surprise, Joker comes

ComicChams:

through He throws in a joker Flowerbomb the same flower that

ComicChams:

he's been growing, and it knocks out everyone, where now Joker

ComicChams:

and Harley Quinn are flying in on a hot air balloon with his

ComicChams:

face on it. And they take over the mat. They kick Grodd and

ComicChams:

Catwoman out. And now Batman and his family have to save Grodd

ComicChams:

and cat Moon fall into their depths. And they do. Batman is

ComicChams:

able to grab Grodd Jason grabs Catwoman Katelyn was upset that

ComicChams:

grace will say first, but she was like, Oh, I'll be fine with

ComicChams:

that. As Joker lays the final tile to unite the five into the

ComicChams:

very much like in Power Rangers and every kind of method

ComicChams:

animated we've ever had. combines the five to create the

ComicChams:

holy heavenly monster mech being of lowered choker.

Arete:

Yeah, all that happened. So you know, it might as well

Arete:

also happen. baby who is uncharacteristically happy in

Arete:

this movie on characters. Optimistic He's way too excited

Arete:

about everything. This seems like something Tim Drake should

Arete:

have done. But nevermind that Damien and his best Pokeyman

Arete:

monka chi are able to assemble an army of monkeys who for into

Arete:

a giant sentient monkey like robot tight and Batman

Arete:

immediately forgive Selena because that has to happen for

Arete:

the rest of the movie to happen. And as as she does, the monkeys

Arete:

become this big. And they become this big Titan. They're hit with

Arete:

flame throwers. And they can shield it the monkey tank and

Arete:

shield it but like a lot of monkeys die being literal monkey

Arete:

shields. So it's randomly revealed that Joker and Harley

Arete:

planted the flowers, and they restored their memory, which,

Arete:

thanks, we got it. And now Now it's time for everyone to go on

Arete:

individual battles to fight the villains. And

ComicChams:

I mean, I think you might have missed the biggest

ComicChams:

part of all though, please,

Arete:

my mind was winter mush.

ComicChams:

While the monkeys are creating unnecessary

ComicChams:

sacrifices of themselves. The rest of the bat clan of Hida

ComicChams:

arrive after taking on the rest of God's forces. And along with

ComicChams:

them our group of bats. These bats come together to form the

ComicChams:

bat signal in the sky and they float down around the giant

ComicChams:

monkey wrap around it and when they all fuse together Yes, I

ComicChams:

set it right fuse together. They turn into Batman that God as

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they call it in the movie is basically the Japanese take a

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Japanese illustration of Batman in 3d form is black and white.

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Everybody is excited now that the bat God is here. They now

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Joker's mech with the bat God here. They send one final punch

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at each other. Back Godwin's, which in his punch is able to

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release the team as they as they all go on to their individual

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fights with Batman vs Joker Catwoman versus Harley Quinn

ComicChams:

because I quote this she said that she needed to take awesome

ComicChams:

girl on girl action PG 13 Then we got a Nightwing vs penguin

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which I feel like is a slaughter like a redhead versus

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Deathstroke we got Red Robin or Tim Drake vs to face and finally

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we got Damian Robin versus poison ivy.

Arete:

Look everybody wins. All right, let me just say this.

Arete:

Irrespective fights, if this was the only reason that all the

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Robins were brought here. What a wasted opportunity. That was a

Arete:

wasted opportunity. Yeah, this they should have been in the

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mech together the five of them piloting a mech together and

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then the joke would have worked. But it didn't do that. So now

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only one one on one remains Batman vs. Joker, and this may

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be the longest Batman vs. Joker fight I have ever seen. It goes

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on way too

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long. Is that odd? Least 20 minutes I

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feel Yeah. And at one point in Batman gets stabbed,

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but it's revealed that isn't real. It's an illusion Joker

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just stay Have an illusion any Batman just keeps using illusion

Arete:

again due to something he could have used conceivably at any

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point in the fight but just waited to do it for dramatic

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reasons. I hate this because the implication that Batman you need

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extra skills to defeat the Joker and a straight fist fight is

Arete:

crazy. It's crazy. That's the easiest part of Batman's joke

Arete:

it's the fight is always the easy part. It's just getting to

Arete:

the fight that is hard. So the fact that he has to bring out

Arete:

extra tricks to just beat the Joker ridiculous ridiculous at

Arete:

one point he is at this long long battle is given the

Arete:

opportunity to drop Joker into the flames and he does it just

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saves them afterwards so it gets the satisfaction of doing

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what a little you love it

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but there there is the battle is done. Alfred you still

Arete:

with us?

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I'm sorry yes now that they have taken down all

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the villains it's time to return home. The activates the Quake

ComicChams:

engine say goodbye to the back clan, the PETA I don't know if

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this means now that they they're the prophecy being fulfilled.

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Does this mean that they now just disband? Do they continue

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on with the faith but I feel like when you're apart that this

ComicChams:

very much felt like a cult and the fact that like the prophecy

ComicChams:

happened, I don't think there's a way to go back and do whatever

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you you just did before, like the scenes like they've been

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doing this for years. Like it's weird. Um, so they use the

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engine. And as they it opens up. The That's it. That's just the

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credits. It's revealed, I guess in the post credit not in the

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postgres scene, but in through the credit sequence, I guess

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it's revealed that they just basically brought back

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everything including the damaged robots and next and buildings

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right in front of Commissioner Gordon and believe Bullock as

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well. So that's basically how our movie wraps up. There are

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two post credit scenes that kind of intertwine. The first one is

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kind of a call back to the beginning of the film, where

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Batman is, was supposed to be Bruce was supposed to be heading

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to an event that the mayor was having. So he tries to alpha is

ComicChams:

there now to meet him in a actual tuxedo for him to change

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into. And it reveals that like, Hey, I actually have a nice car

ComicChams:

for you a nice vehicle for you to use. And it's a horse driven

ComicChams:

Batmobile. Har Har, yeah. And cat woman also sell some

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antiques because it's revealed that during her time of Grodd,

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Rod did something where he took a banana peel and throw it into

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a vase or vase of some sort. And because technically it is and

ComicChams:

then teak or antiquity, I think the term antiquity applies here.

ComicChams:

She's able to sell it and they show that even still has the

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banana peel in there.

Arete:

Okay,

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great. I'm

Arete:

glad you we spent time doing that. So normally, for

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animated movies, there isn't too many details behind the scenes

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of the production. And this is not an exception. But there is

Arete:

one factoid I found about behind the scenes about why things

Arete:

might have gone a little off the rails for Batman ninja. But

Arete:

before we get there, is there any comic relevance of Batman

Arete:

Ninja is this? Is this a comic? Was this inspired by anything?

ComicChams:

Not a thing at all inspired this film. This is an

ComicChams:

original screenplay. The closest I could find is the history of

ComicChams:

bat manga.

Arete:

Okay,

ComicChams:

this is a book that was put together back in 2008

ComicChams:

officially as a paperback or, and the hardcover with a book

ComicChams:

designed by Chip kid, but it collects the stories this book

ComicChams:

is called bat Manga The Secret History of Batman in Japan. It

ComicChams:

collects stories 53 chapters of Batman in Japan because at the

ComicChams:

time of Adam West his era as Batman, there was a huge jump in

ComicChams:

bat mania in Japan, leading to the Giro Quwata to craft 53

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chapters of this manga with Adam West's Batman operating in

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Japan. And the stories were just basically called Batman or

ComicChams:

Batman written out in Japanese letters. Iran from April 1966 to

ComicChams:

67th of May. And I only stopped because Batman craze had died in

ComicChams:

Japan.

Arete:

Something else cool came up. Yeah.

ComicChams:

Um, so yeah, for a while, for what seems to be

ComicChams:

almost like four years nothing was happening with it. It was

ComicChams:

translated at one point and put into a giant nice graphic novel

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or manga. And then later in 2008, as I mentioned, it finally

ComicChams:

got that release into a paperback edition. And then soon

ComicChams:

after it was to all three also, all 53 chapters were collected

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into three volumes that you can pick up to date in Japan. And

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this was actually written out in Japanese so we only got the

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English translations of these in July of 2014 when they were

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released weekly on Comixology hashtag not sponsored but I

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would definitely say it's a great place to read digital

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versions of any of these comics like I've caught up on so much

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comics because of it really again not sponsored um, but they

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released the English version of their so right now you can find

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it in Japanese English and probably in this this Chinese

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monologue but definitely in the more so in the earlier two. But

ComicChams:

none of it actually has ever told a story about Joker

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building a Mac and using hypnotism in order to trick

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Batman or redhead being so aggro in the sense of

Arete:

I'm shocked. Um, okay, so no common basis. So here's the

Arete:

thing. Um, Batman ninja was originally crafted in Japan.

Arete:

And, you know, the dialogue, everything was in Japanese when

Arete:

it was brought to America for the dub, the writers, the CO

Arete:

writers of the American Film who are responsible for the

Arete:

translation, according to them, and they received a six page

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script, detailing the beats of everything that happened in the

Arete:

story in Japanese. And they said it made no sense. So they just

Arete:

made their own story to make Batman ninja makes sense. So the

Arete:

English version uses the same scenes as the Japanese version.

Arete:

But the script is completely different. Um, I tried to

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research what the differences might be because I did not have

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the time to rewatch that. Subbed but no one's bothered to really

Arete:

do it. So I can't tell you what this movie actually is. But this

Arete:

movie is a completely different movie in Japan.

ComicChams:

I guess I have to reveal a secret now. I found it

ComicChams:

and watched it.

Arete:

So what So what is it? What is it in Japan?

ComicChams:

Can I just say the dialogue is significantly

ComicChams:

better? The scenes are the same. There isn't much difference that

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I really was able to find. Except just like, yes, some

ComicChams:

dialogue notes are very different in terms of like,

ComicChams:

Batman speech. When he's on that cliff, the biggest difference

ComicChams:

that I saw, they actually had music score to a Oh, so that's

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what I was thinking. That's what I was mentioning about like the

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difference of like when you heard the music come up, and

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they just got rid of it. And I saw the main The biggest

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difference in it is that the English version tried to focus

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on the speeches that they had. But the Japanese version really

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tied it well with their music. That's really just it. I guess

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also Alfred was a little bit more useful. Like he didn't have

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like he had the same amount of scenes, but he actually

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explained how he made black tea by fermenting green tea and I

ComicChams:

was like, that's a pretty interesting thing. And

ComicChams:

apparently he also has a hookup to Western foods. So that's how

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he was able to keep Selena fed. And I don't know why Selena felt

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like she couldn't eat anything in Japan scenes racist. So that

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really does. But yeah, honestly, that's really those are really

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the big differences. Just Alfred having a better understanding of

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how to, I'm assuming smuggling Western food. And the music was

ComicChams:

really the only big differences that I saw. But overall, more or

ComicChams:

less, the dialogue was pretty much the same. Like I would say

ComicChams:

don't invest too much and trying to find if you want to watch it

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is very hard to actually pick up in America. I realized because I

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was very upset about this. I rented the copy of it and

ComicChams:

because it was like it came in it was saying it came in two

ComicChams:

versions English and Japanese on Amazon. And then when I played

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it the only audio they had available were English. English

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dialogue boost high English dialogue boots medium

Arete:

Why is media even an option?

ComicChams:

They really were just like now we know what the

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music and it was like the music really helped to make a

ComicChams:

difference in this film. But beat for beat it's pretty much

ComicChams:

the same. But I can see where it's just like it did they were

ComicChams:

missing some parts of the script. They definitely had to

ComicChams:

just make something out of nothing and yeah, um, this is

ComicChams:

not my fight to say watch sub overdub. In this case actually

ComicChams:

watch sub if you enjoy score music in your in your movies.

ComicChams:

Yeah,

Arete:

yeah, I think that's fair to say. Because yeah, I'd like

Arete:

to see the original intent of this. And I feel like you get a

Arete:

little bit closer with that. That's up. Yeah. But so there

Arete:

Yeah, there you have it Batman ninja after all this time? Um, I

Arete:

know this is gonna be a hard decision. But is this a cape? Or

Arete:

is it it? Or is it is a ninja cape or just a cap that needs to

Arete:

cover what the hell was going on with Davies

ComicChams:

okay, this was actually a little tough for me.

ComicChams:

But not because we haven't given a cape to a movie yet in this

ComicChams:

universe. But visually, I will give this movie a cape. Dialogue

ComicChams:

is straight up cat. English dialogue is straight up cap

ComicChams:

nothing in it really makes sense. The execution of some

ComicChams:

aspects of it's just really kind of like off in some cases. Like

ComicChams:

it really did upset me that we didn't get actual scenes of just

ComicChams:

like Batman being trained by these ninjas from the bat clan.

ComicChams:

When it was like they kind of made it like a big deal that

ComicChams:

they needed to work alongside them. And then instead, we just

ComicChams:

got like a 20 minute sequence of Jason Todd abusing choker or the

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quick pacing, but also just seemed very well because like

ComicChams:

from the beginning, it did not stop. We were 35 minutes in and

ComicChams:

that felt like at least a season of DBZ. It just didn't stop it

ComicChams:

was just like Batman just kept fighting like this. In 35

ComicChams:

minutes, we saw Batman vs Grodd Batman vs Joker in the forest.

ComicChams:

That made meeting with Selena Batman vs. Arkham castle, and

ComicChams:

finding his colleagues to save him. Batman meet teaming up with

ComicChams:

Grodd grads betrayal. And this is again, this is 85 minutes, we

ComicChams:

have more than an hour left in this film. And so much was

ComicChams:

already covered that it just feels like too much got thrown

ComicChams:

into the beginning. So we lost track of what was what could

ComicChams:

have been middle parts like that could have easily been the

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middle part with the whole grog twist and everything. And then

ComicChams:

just immediately jumped to him having the having a speech on

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the hill, maybe show a little bit of training. Maybe you could

ComicChams:

do the one month later to explain that it took some time

ComicChams:

for them to build out the castles and whatnot. But it just

ComicChams:

felt like too much got shoved into this film. I would also say

ComicChams:

to that like it's I did not like the Joker reveal of him. You

ComicChams:

know, like I hypnotize myself to hide my true intent from you.

ComicChams:

When we've kind of talked about you could easily just said that

ComicChams:

Joker, they were under the impression that Joker was

ComicChams:

killed. That man had to recover from that time, realize how much

ComicChams:

he lost how many things were being sacrificed because that

ComicChams:

would have been great if you just said Joker was killed off.

ComicChams:

And we're back to our original villain who started this whole

ComicChams:

entire film. And that could have been it. That really could have

ComicChams:

been it. Other than that, I would say the fight scene some

ComicChams:

fight scenes are good. Were kind of fun to watch like even though

ComicChams:

the Batman Joker fight went on really long. I think there were

ComicChams:

some visually cool scenes like when I think the smoke cloud

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kind of passed by. There was a scene in which they were both

ComicChams:

fighting against with swords and you saw the hits of the sword

ComicChams:

shining through the shining through the smoke. And also when

ComicChams:

I think the Joker got hit pretty hard. He kind of rose back up

ComicChams:

and almost seemed as if he had transformed into a more evil

ComicChams:

version of Joker. Like I get the attempt that they were trying to

ComicChams:

do try to tie them with these like Japanese anime aesthetics,

ComicChams:

but some stuff just seems too clunky and I wonder if maybe we

ComicChams:

just China too. changed the way that the art style was like I

ComicChams:

liked it. But I feel like for fight scenes like that it's a

ComicChams:

little hard to do. And I kind of wished we kind of jumped into

ComicChams:

more of what we saw really actually in the very beginning

ComicChams:

of the film, I think it was and also Salinas part, where it's a

ComicChams:

2d animation. Very much like what we see a little bit from

ComicChams:

like juicy Kyson, or like Attack on Titan. Just give just give us

ComicChams:

some flat animation, but very detailed. Let whoever is

ComicChams:

animating that just cook with the fight scene, and it'll be

ComicChams:

AI. But that's for me, cat for the for dialogue, and it's a

ComicChams:

very weird middle ground. Cape visuals are great, but dialogue

ComicChams:

needs some help. But ultimately, I will give it a cape. It's a

ComicChams:

very small cape, though. Yeah. You kind of convinced us I see

ComicChams:

why people enjoyed it. But to me, it still needs its moments

ComicChams:

to fine tune. What about UK per cat?

Arete:

I really went in here wanting to give it a que por the

Arete:

unique ness of the script. Or maybe the Japanese version might

Arete:

have something but two caps. So version, one for Batman's head

Arete:

one for Robin said this movie. The pacing in this movie is so

Arete:

bizarre. What they choose to spend time on is so bizarre.

Arete:

There is quite frankly no reason why we didn't see the opening

Arete:

battle of this media. Why don't we get to see him? Like Batman

Arete:

run into Arkham Asylum. And all the villains are in cells. And

Arete:

then when he turns on the machine, um, they are all

Arete:

transported. Why did he need to do this in Arkham? Knight is not

Arete:

a Batman villain, guys. I gotta keep saying it. Batman has a lot

Arete:

of villains, but one of them is not Grodd why Arkham

Arete:

specifically, it would have been cool to say there was a

Arete:

geographic location a reason? Why did they go to Japan? Back

Arete:

in Gotham is located in New Jersey most of the time. How did

Arete:

they get to Japan even? I don't understand the beginning of the

Arete:

movie, which makes it really hard to understand the rest.

Arete:

Yeah, again, we I won't go back to the Red Hood thing. We've

Arete:

beaten that with a crowbar to death. But

Arete:

this movie has way too many characters as well. We didn't

Arete:

need all of the Robins. We certainly didn't need the four

Arete:

villains who spend most of the movie doing nothing until we get

Arete:

to the end and then they're immediately mind controlled. So

Arete:

it could be could have been anybody. Um, yes. So there's

Arete:

just so many there's so many things that to that are

Arete:

bizarrely spaced out in this movie. I really don't even know

Arete:

what the the intent was. What I can say here is that if you're

Arete:

really curious and you want something different from a

Arete:

Batman story, I'd rather you go watch Mary little Batman I'd

Arete:

rather you go aware of the Batman because I can understand

Arete:

the intent of those things as much as I might not agree fully

Arete:

with every alternate Batman story I can see what they're

Arete:

going for you know a Gotham by Gaslight you know, kind of so my

Arete:

Yeah, my art thing alteration is pretty similar to Gotham by

Arete:

Gaslight. Just set it in this era. Just set it here. Right?

Arete:

Just it's a Bruce in the past. He has Robin apprentices. He has

Arete:

an outfit he has a cat woman, Joker is the big emperor. Mongol

Arete:

taking over everything. Right. And, you know, he leads this

Arete:

revolution based on a prophecy, you know, of Batman, because

Arete:

also the prophecy with Max. It's really hard to do both at the

Arete:

same time. And you didn't, it didn't work here because, you

Arete:

know, it's funny. Power Rangers does this all the time where

Arete:

they have prophecies, and also giant mechas. But it's

Arete:

established Power Rangers has been going on for so long. And

Arete:

they've been so many versions I can accept. I can accept the

Arete:

blending of those two things. Because there was magic in the

Arete:

past here. We never get an origin of the prophecy. We'd

Arete:

never get anything from it. And so my alteration set it in this

Arete:

time period, fully committed to it. If you're scared of fully

Arete:

committing to it if you want tak and mechas, and everything like

Arete:

that, because actually, I think it'd be even, I would be willing

Arete:

more willing to accept if it was magic that turned them into

Arete:

mykos. Yeah. Um, then technology brought from the past

Arete:

retrofitted to Japanese homes. But yeah, if you really wanted a

Arete:

twist, you could have it that in, like, at the halfway point,

Arete:

they all realize that they're from present times and their

Arete:

memories were just addled through the time traveler

Arete:

process. And now, the last half of them all trying to get back

Arete:

home, you could do that. I know. It's war world. But better.

ComicChams:

Better. Yeah. That's the key part. But better. Yeah,

Arete:

I just don't think we got much from them going back in the

Arete:

past, and having that whole prologue. It just didn't. None

Arete:

of that really worked. And I think there are great

Arete:

opportunities as just one example, if it was time period,

Arete:

you could have Red Hood, show up. And Batman could be like,

Arete:

who are you? And he's like, I was beaten by the Joker

Arete:

severely. So severely, I never show my face because his face is

Arete:

never shown. Right. Yeah.

ComicChams:

And that was something that also add some

ComicChams:

issues with for the film to some of the character designs. Like,

ComicChams:

again, I think, for Red Hood. I don't know what it is exactly.

ComicChams:

But I'm assuming that it does have a connection to historical

ComicChams:

Japan where, but it's that giant almost looks like a paper

ComicChams:

lantern. It's just on his head. Yeah. And I thought that was

ComicChams:

weird. I really would have because then at one point, he

ComicChams:

does lift up his mask. And he shows to he has on another mask

ComicChams:

underneath it. I was like, Why didn't we just give him like

ComicChams:

maybe an oni mask or something like happen? Dress up more like

ComicChams:

a ninja, give him the Oni mask. That way, he still it still

ComicChams:

looks a lot like Red Hood. Because I don't know if it's

ComicChams:

because they were trying to find a way to differentiate him from

ComicChams:

from Red Robin, which at that point, just choose the Robins.

ComicChams:

It's either Red Hood or Red Robin, don't maybe don't include

ComicChams:

Damian because that hairstyle should not have just give us

ComicChams:

something like that. And it did feel like it was a little extra

ComicChams:

compared to it felt like they were just disrespecting the

ComicChams:

Robins that they'd known to have aggro issues. It's like why do

ComicChams:

that if you could just easily especially if they're supposed

ComicChams:

to be ninjas. Now after being with the Klan for two years, I

ComicChams:

would assume that the point would be for them to be

ComicChams:

inconspicuous like that is very conspicuous. And that's the rest

ComicChams:

of walking down the streets.

Arete:

Yeah. Does it make sense if somebody Robbins it really

Arete:

doesn't really doesn't. They're just far too many Robins in this

Arete:

film. And they don't get enough to do except for Damian. And I'm

Arete:

Yeah, again. I've beaten the Red Hood thing to death. Just the

Arete:

normal way. So

ComicChams:

yeah. We have an allotment of crowbars and

ComicChams:

there's

Arete:

one more um, but yeah, I think treating it treating the

Arete:

law would have been cool. Like one more thing I'll throw out

Arete:

there and then I'll leave it alone. Again if it's time

Arete:

period, each Robin if you want all of them what the potential

Arete:

list could have had. Imagine if Tim Drake comes in and says you

Arete:

know Batman has adopted all these Robins that have been

Arete:

displaced or or harmed personally by each each one of

Arete:

the crime lords so you know Nightwing comes in and says

Arete:

well, Penguin paid to have my parents killed we were traveling

Arete:

performers. And Batman's like I took him in after his parents

Arete:

were killed by traveling performers on penguins order to

Arete:

face and Tim have a thing linked them up. Obviously Ratan Joker

Arete:

had beef and instead of poison ivy whose powers aren't really

Arete:

used well here Talia Italia and their and Talia be all the

Arete:

baggage that comes with Damien.

ComicChams:

Damien the even still worked with them on on the

ComicChams:

well Deathstroke is more so with Nightwing Yeah,

Arete:

barely using this movie anyways. Yeah, like honestly, I

ComicChams:

feel like he was just thrown to show that like he

ComicChams:

pays for it because like there was this one scene in which he's

ComicChams:

just hugging up on the woman and it's just like all right, like

ComicChams:

that's weird. I don't know what's happening in your in your

ComicChams:

in your mid Castle But sir, we have to fight a battle right

ComicChams:

now. Um, but yeah, it's just it definitely feels as if none of

ComicChams:

that like you're saying like none the robins are really kind

ComicChams:

Have I connected with their villains The only people who

ComicChams:

seem to have connected with their villains because they

ComicChams:

built out throughout the film, a reason for them to connect was

ComicChams:

Harley Quinn and Catwoman because that multiple times they

ComicChams:

fought against each other, each going, where each one had won

ComicChams:

one battle before the last time and then like this last battle

ComicChams:

was supposed to be it like, who's going to take it all? Do

ComicChams:

that whole scene again take out the line about Girl on Girl

ComicChams:

action. That felt like it was just pandering to try and say

ComicChams:

that like hey, both of them are attractive. So this is what the

ComicChams:

viewer wants to watch. It was like meanwhile, these are the

ComicChams:

two Baddest, like fighters in like as of late within the DC

ComicChams:

universe. It could just be that like the two of them had just

ComicChams:

been going at it this entire time and they're like we really

ComicChams:

need to sell this because at some point one had pissed off

ComicChams:

the other enough that they had they were upset that they lost

ComicChams:

the last battle. Yeah, um, but yeah, so as Batman and just

ComicChams:

we've been we people have asked and question us to review. I

ComicChams:

guess the official ruling is though that it is mostly kept.

ComicChams:

So we're never going to talk about this again. Unless it's

ComicChams:

just to ridicule it's especially then I'm never going to forgive

ComicChams:

them from dropping that girl on girl action line that is just

ComicChams:

really that was really weird and was really cringe more almost as

ComicChams:

cringy as the redhead.

Arete:

Yeah, we're collecting cringe lines. And that includes,

Arete:

I still don't know if it's worse than women have been doing a lot

Arete:

of saving around here. We should call this the ex women and

Arete:

that's still that's still there. But on our sliding tear,

Arete:

Dragonball Evolution is still in hell. But honestly, it's the

Arete:

best of the worst that we've seen this month.

ComicChams:

This is the official ruling. Um, I think right now

ComicChams:

for me is actually a weird tie for different reasons between

ComicChams:

this and Suicide Squad. And that's fair. I'm only saying

ComicChams:

that because Batman Ninja is wonderful to look at. You can

ComicChams:

literally play it in the background with no volume. And

ComicChams:

people will think you have artwork on your walls. Like it's

ComicChams:

visually Great. I'll give it that and I know that a lot of

ComicChams:

people tend to gear towards defining a great movie as its

ComicChams:

visuals but for me that's just not what it is. I need to hear

ComicChams:

what's going on. And honestly, I would prefer not to hear what's

ComicChams:

going on. Um, but ya know, I think it ties up with suicide

ComicChams:

squad for number one spot of cake for cat films that we have

ComicChams:

covered this month. So what about you? Were you thinking

Arete:

I you know, this is an actual movie. It was an attempt

Arete:

that didn't succeed fully. So for that, I feel like I will put

Arete:

it at the top above Suicide Squad that was hacked to pieces

Arete:

above Dark Phoenix that is just boring cuz I can say I wasn't

Arete:

bored. I can say that much for Batman ninja and it moves

Arete:

quickly enough. So top of the trash. So it's at the top of the

Arete:

trash pile. Dragon Ball Sillas roasting owl. Yes. I just want

Arete:

to just want to assure everyone that's where it belongs. Don't

Arete:

never leave their home for infinite losers.

ComicChams:

Oh, and speaking of X Men Dark Phoenix, don't worry

ComicChams:

answer. We don't have to cover any more of the excellent. The

ComicChams:

last. But someone did reach out and did mention the dialogue

ComicChams:

that actually are kind of language that does get better

ComicChams:

with spoken language loudly while in pain is patois. And I

ComicChams:

can 100% agree with that. All

Arete:

right. All right. So

ComicChams:

that's gonna wrap up our episode here today. Join us

ComicChams:

next week as we jump back into the tomorrow verse with the

ComicChams:

coverage of Crisis on Infinite Earths part two. That's right,

ComicChams:

it's finally coming out after months of waiting for have a

ComicChams:

timeline of when it will arrive. But we're definitely going to be

ComicChams:

covering it to try to finally wrap up the tomorrow verse.

ComicChams:

Again though, because it will be a three parter. We do not know

ComicChams:

where we will cover part three. All right, so be sure to support

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give you the haircut that Damien has on here, you are legally

ComicChams:

allowed to fight them. Yes. And if you're sent back to feudal

ComicChams:

Japan and you have access to a Mac, start with that and figure

ComicChams:

out the rest later.

ComicChams:

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Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast
Fun deep dives and honest takes on superhero productions from two Black Nerds breaking down what’s worth your time ('cape') and what you can skip ('cap')
Cape or Cap: A Black Nerd Superhero Podcast is the perfect place for dissecting superhero shows, movies, and their source material comics from a Black nerd's perspective.

Join Chamar "ComicChams" Griffith and Andrew "Arete" Tejada as they delve into the stories, behind-the-scenes work, and comic origins of these productions. They provide a final review to let you know which ones are worth a watch and have earned their 'cape', and which ones have crash-landed and earned a 'cap'. Expect reviews, lightning rounds, and plenty of nerdy banter in every episode. Available wherever you get your podcasts.
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Chamar Griffith

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A Blerd from birth, Chamar is just a kid from Brooklyn who has always loved epic tales, art, and animation. Given that superheroes and cartoons have all three, he dived into this colorful world.

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